dmcnews-digest Monday, June 29 1998 Volume 03 : Number 383
In this issue:
DML: Drivers side fender for sale
Re: DML: Alternative Seats
DML: Models on ebay
DML: Colorado DeLorean Owners in Colorado
DML: History Channel "Greatest Sports Car "Results
DML: Eastern Regional Run 9 -- 1999
Re: DML: Re: unexpected shut off
Re: DML: VIN #2932, I've got your frame....
DML: Car show photos / site revisions
Re: DML: History Channel "Greatest Sports Car "Results
DML: German Club Meeting Pictures
DML: Battery drain and fuse question?
DML: [admin] New DMC-News Classifieds Webmaster
DML: Please help me
Re: DML: Battery drain and fuse question?
DML: Replacement Fuel Pump (was: Re: Baffle Substitute)
Re: DML: Please help me
DML: DMC News "Department of Commerce" Updated
Re: DML: Please help me
DML: wishful thinking??
DML: Temperature rising on freeway
Re: DML: Replacement Fuel Pump (was: Re: Baffle Substitute)
Re: DML: Temperature rising on freeway
DML: Re: VIN #2932, I've got your frame....
Re: DML: Please help me
DML: Insurance
DML: Dash cover
DML: Axle nut size
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 10:23:11 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Drivers side fender for sale
I have a good condition, used drivers fender for sale (yes, the rare
one). My asking price is $1000 plus shipping, though reasonable offers
will be considered. Email me if you are interested.
James Espey
espey@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:53:40 EDT
From: KKoncelik@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Alternative Seats
I used porshe seats in my dune buggy. It had flat a flat floor and I just
made a spacer to take up the 1" I needed. It was from a 77 porshe i
believe.
Ken
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:11:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Yugoman@xxxxxxxxx (Ralph Isenberg)
Subject: DML: Models on ebay
There are acouple of BTTF models on ebay, just go too www.ebay.com
and click on "search", then enter "Delorean". They have several items
today.
Ralph Isenberg (Yugoman@xxxxxxxxx)
Protector of Orphan Cars
AMC's, Bricklins, Corvairs, DeLoreans,Vegas, Yugos, All other unloved
chariots welcomed here!
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:38:04 -0500
From: "Michael C. Babb" <mbabb@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Colorado DeLorean Owners in Colorado
first thing:
I am moving to Colorado next month and wanted to get Colorado
DeLorean owners input on their favorite insurance companies.
Secondly, any owners in the Denver/Ft. Collins area interested in getting
together for a drive and a bit of DMC Chat, let me know
The best way to reply is via my personal e-mail: mikebabb@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:28:02 EDT
From: ABatt10347@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: History Channel "Greatest Sports Car "Results
Fellow DMCer's,
The votes have all been counted. See the results at
www.historychannel.com/sweeps/finalresults.html .
Thanks to everyone who took the time to vote.
Bruce Battles
vin#6569
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:32:57 -0400
From: Aldo.Buono@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Eastern Regional Run 9 -- 1999
You do not have to wait for the year 2000 for the next regional
convention of De Lorean owners.
Any individual or club can host the 1999 Eastern Regional Run.
Please contact me directly for a perspective on your ideas.
You do not need anyone's approval to host Eastern Regional Run 9 in
1999, just some good ideas and a commitment to pull it off
successfully.
THe only requirement is that it is in the eastern half of the United
States or Canada.
Aldo Buono, President
De Lorean Midatlantic
aldo.buono@xxxxxxxxx
VIN 1440
DMC
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:05:15 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Re: unexpected shut off
I just went through the logic box circuit trying to get my seat belt
light to work. The seat belt light will not come on until you 'crank'
the engine. A signal is sent from the ignition switch white/red to the
logic box and to the start ihibite relay #105. The start inhibit relay
is also connected to your auto/trans module #170. It may be that the
problem is in the computer and you are getting a signal back to the
logic box via the W/R wire which cause the light timing cycle to start
again. I performed a test on my car, while the engine was running and
the seat belt light was off, I sent a signal thru the W/R and the light
timing cycle worked. My car is not an automatic, but I am considering
bying one for my Wife.
Scott Mueller
JSteuben@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
> Thanks Joe,
>
> Here's another one for you. I have an automatic trannie and everytime I hand
> shift it, reverse, low, ect., the seatbelt light in the instrument cluster
> comes on for about 15 seconds????? I know it ain't a biggie, but if you
> have
> any ideas I would be greatfull. Thanks again, Joe (vin1273)
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:09:42 -0700
From: steve brodsky <a0017673@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: VIN #2932, I've got your frame....
Marc A Levy wrote:
>
> Why the heck would DMC put the vin on every part in the car? Seems
> silly!
>
> DMC-FLUX wrote:
>
> > A couple of weeks ago I was changing the speakers in the front of my
> > car. When we removed the left speaker, there was a small sticker
> > found. It read 3472. My vin is 3461, very close.
Actually, all new cars are now required to have a vin number on all
major parts, however that did not apply when the D's were manufactured.
- -- But add this to the list of strangeness -- when I once removed the
door panel on my driver's door, I noticed that someone had written
"Stevie" on the inside of the door with magic marker. How could they
have lnown that I would buy that car??? Steve Brodsky 10688
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:53:12 -0500
From: thgraham@xxxxxxxx (Travis Graham)
Subject: DML: Car show photos / site revisions
If you are not sick of seeing photos from Cincinnati, I have several of my
better shots from the event on my web site. I have recently renovated the
place and made a few changes, including a couple of cool Java apps. I
hope
to have more of the images fully optimized over the weekend / next week,
but
it is on a quick server anyway, so download time is not too bad now.
Travis
http://edge.net/~thgraham/delorean.htm
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:53:05 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: History Channel "Greatest Sports Car "Results
We were the write in winner, now it is time to vote for the most
innovative car, perhapes we can win this one. May be then, they will do
a TV show on our favorite car.
Scott Mueller
#2981
http://www.historychannel.com/sweeps/finalresults.html
ABatt10347@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
> Fellow DMCer's,
> The votes have all been counted. See the results at
> www.historychannel.com/sweeps/finalresults.html .
> Thanks to everyone who took the time to vote.
> Bruce Battles
> vin#6569
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:15:51 +0200
From: Klaus.Steiner@xxxxxxxxxxx (Klaus.Steiner)
Subject: DML: German Club Meeting Pictures
On my homepage at
http://home.t-online.de/home/Klaus.Steiner/dmc12.htm
You can see some pictures from the German DeLorean Club Meeting on
06.12.1998
with 26 cars.
Klaus Steiner
Germany
VIN 5980
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:56:20 -0400
From: Sean Mullally <mullally@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Battery drain and fuse question?
I've been trying to track down a battery drain than renders my battery to
weak
to start after 3-5 days of sitting. I disconnected the positive terminal
and
using a multimeter I measured the current between the battery and the
positive
cable. The car was cold at the time and it read about 30 milliamps with
everything turned off, which doesn't seem like that much to me, but I'm no
expert with electrical stuff. The next thing I did was start pulling
fuses one
at a time to determine what was drawing this current. Part of it (about 15
milliamps) was going through the fuse labeled "Lighter/Clock" and I could
not
find the rest. Are there any circuits that do not go through the main
fuse box
that might be drawing power?
Something else puzzling I ran across while doing this is that my radio
seems to
be connected to the power window fuse. Is this normal? Also, when I
pulled the
"Lighter/Clock" fuse, the radio display dimmed but continued to function.
If
anyone has any insight on this I'd sure appreciate it.
- -Sean Mullally
vin# 3868
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 98 11:45:11 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: [admin] New DMC-News Classifieds Webmaster
In response to my request for an HTML'er to handle the classifieds,
longtime DML'er Dave Price graciously stepped forward and from this point
forward will be the primary contact for things related to the DMC-News
"Buy and Sell" area.
Dave can be reached for classified related matters at
"buynsell@xxxxxxxxxxx"
All the same terms and conditions will apply to the use of the area.
A big thanks to Dave for so willingly taking on this responsibility!
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 98 11:59:29 -0000
From: Jessica Pretorius <jblue@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Please help me
Please help me, my dad had an accident in his delorean where a
truck wiped out the whole back of his car and he has written his car off.
He's really depressed and still hopes there might be a chance of repair
or maybe an owner of a still existing one might want to sell. He begged
me to look on the net for any information, so PLEASE if you know anything
at all contact us. That car was his life!
Thank you!
Jessica Pretorius
Tel: we live in S.A- 021 756453 or 083 625 0313.
Address: 19 Castleview rd Constantia
7800
Cape Town
South Africa
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:46:55 -0600
From: Jim Nichols <jhnichols@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Battery drain and fuse question?
Sean,
My clock draws about 45 milliamps and a couple more for the radio memory
for
a total of almost 50 milliamps. If your battery is only lasting 3-5 days
either it isn't fully charging or the battery is just weak. A fully
charged
battery should still start the car after two weeks with no problem. In
theory the battery should be only half discharged after 40 days. The
actual
time for a sure start, on my car, is about a month without a charger
hooked
up. Often I only drive my car once a month so I keep a 1.5 amp charger
on a
timer for an hour and a half a day plugged into the cigar lighter.
Jim #6884
Sean Mullally wrote:
> I've been trying to track down a battery drain than renders my battery to
> weak to start after 3-5 days of sitting. I disconnected the positive
> terminal
> and using a multimeter I measured the current between the battery and the
> positive cable. The car was cold at the time and it read about 30 milliamps
> with
> everything turned off, which doesn't seem like that much to me, but I'm no
> expert with electrical stuff. The next thing I did was start pulling
> fuses one at a time to determine what was drawing this current. Part of it
> (about 15
> milliamps) was going through the fuse labeled "Lighter/Clock" and I could
> not find the rest.
>
> -Sean Mullally
> vin# 3868
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 07:54:57 -0500
From: Daniel McGauley <hawkeye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Replacement Fuel Pump (was: Re: Baffle Substitute)
The new fuel pump that was installed is working great and is super-quiet.
I'm especially pleased with the life-time warranty my mechanic gave me on
it! On the box for it are these numbers. I'm not sure which one is the
part number, so I'll include them all.
Bosch
1 ST/PC
61957
0 580 254 957 - 390
769 506265
I think the "0 580 254 957 - 390" is the main part number though.
- -Daniel
At 09:06 PM 6/23/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Daniel,
>We're interested in this new fuel pump could you get more information
>i.e.:
>manufacturer and model number. Thanks
>Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:55:45 EDT
From: Bobrefahc@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Please help me
I own DMC 5489 a 1981 5speed gray interior It has 57K actual miles (no
odometer change) and am offering it for sale at $16,000. It is in above
average condition. An 9 on a scale of 1-10. If interested please contact
R. M. Chafer
2275 Dunhaven Court
Atlanta, Ga.30338
phone 770-457 6081
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 23:32:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Price <buynsell@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DMC News "Department of Commerce" Updated
Hello all!
I'm writing to let you know that the classifieds section on the DMC
News web site ( http://www.dmcnews.com/buynsell.html ) has been updated
to reflect the submissions made during June.
All previous posts have been removed, so re-post if you're still
selling. In the future, all posts older than 3 weeks will be removed.
However, I will make an effort to contact the seller prior to
removing a submission.
Please let me know when your submission needs to be removed or
modified by emailing: buynsell@xxxxxxxxxxx
Submit new ADs by filling out the form at
http://www.dmcnews.com/submitad.html
With your support, we can make this the premier marketplace for
DeLoreans and DeLorean-related merchandise.
Dave Price
DMC-News Classifieds Webmaster
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:25:20 -0700
From: Mike Hirko <wawazat1@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Please help me
Jessica Pretorius wrote:
>
> Please help me, my dad had an accident in his delorean where a
> truck wiped out the whole back of his car and he has written his car off.
I had a horrendous front-end crash with my "D" & Don Steger (& Don
Eitleman before his untimely demise) repaired my car to
better-than-before-crash condition. If you can afford to ship your Dad's
car to DeLorean Motor Center in Garden Grove, California, I'll bet you
will be more than amazed at Don Steger's repair.
Mike Hirko
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:57:14 -0600
From: sgcurtis@xxxxxxxx (Sheila J Campbell)
Subject: DML: wishful thinking??
Hello everyone!
This is my first time posting to the list, so I hope it goes through.
I am a big fan of these beautiful cars, and hope to someday be able to
own one myself. Until that day, I'm always on the lookout for seeing one
in town, hoping to get a glimpse of one. I've only been this lucky twice.
Last Monday, the 22nd, I saw one on my way back from work at about 7, in
Grand Junction, CO. Is anyone on this list the lucky owner of this D? Or
does anyone know who is? Just curious if it lives in the area or just
passing through... Anyone that can let me know anything about it would be
greatly appreciated.
Does anyone else own a DeLorean that lives near me? Thank you all!
Sheila
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:18:41 -0400
From: David Sontos <sontos@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Temperature rising on freeway
This is embarassing, the reason the temperature would rise on the
freeway was because I mounted the front license plate in the middle of
the air scoop. When I removed the license plate and took the car up on
the freeway, 150 degrees all the way, no more overheating.
I still can't believe the license plate would block enough air flow to
cause the car to overheat. Unless there is some kind of turbulance
developing here. Anyway I will be looking to buy a new stainless steel
front license plate holder from someone that holds the plate above the
air scoop.
Thanks to all for their suggestions anyway.
Dave
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:09:11 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Replacement Fuel Pump (was: Re: Baffle Substitute)
At 07:54 AM 6/28/98 -0500, you wrote:
>The new fuel pump that was installed is working great and is super-quiet.
>I'm especially pleased with the life-time warranty my mechanic gave me on
>it! On the box for it are these numbers. I'm not sure which one is the
>part number, so I'll include them all.
>
>Bosch
>1 ST/PC
>61957
>0 580 254 957 - 390
>769 506265
>
>I think the "0 580 254 957 - 390" is the main part number though.
>
>-Daniel
>
reply:
Daniel,
I have the same new fuel pump. I don't think I have ever even heard mine?
Nice to know that there is a warranty in case something goes wrong.
Lee
81DMC-12
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:19:58 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Temperature rising on freeway
At 06:18 PM 6/28/98 -0400, you wrote:
>This is embarassing, the reason the temperature would rise on the
>freeway was because I mounted the front license plate in the middle of
>the air scoop. When I removed the license plate and took the car up on
>the freeway, 150 degrees all the way, no more overheating.
>
>I still can't believe the license plate would block enough air flow to
>cause the car to overheat. Unless there is some kind of turbulance
>developing here. Anyway I will be looking to buy a new stainless steel
>front license plate holder from someone that holds the plate above the
>air scoop.
>
>Thanks to all for their suggestions anyway.
>Dave
>
reply:
Dave, You are so right... it's not the blockage at all, in fact you could
put quite a large object in front of the intake and not block it at all,
if
it were the right shape. A square plate pushed through the air flat side
to
the wind causes the most turbulence possible. Your problem is quite funny
in a sort of serious way. Who would have thought a license plate could
burn
up an engine!
It's great you figured it out....see it can be fun owning a DMC!
Lee
81DMC-12
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:09:43 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: VIN #2932, I've got your frame....
> A week or so ago, Scott Meuller mentioned the location of a possible
> VIN number on his instrument cluster that he saw when he removed the
> cluster. The vin number was a few numbers off from his actual VIN.
> The other day, I removed the rear bumper cover and impact absorber
> and found "2932" written in Irish black permanent ink ; ) on the rear of
> my car's frame (VIN 2926). Again, a number a few off from my actual
> VIN. While I'm sure this is totally useless information, I find it to
> be a small glimpse into how cars were assembled at the factory, and
> why our cars are each a little bit different.
>
> Greg Guillot,
Having worked in the auto industry for the past 34 years I think I can
explain why things like the above happened. The frames and running gear
are
assembled prior to decking the body and trim parts. In the DeLorean's case
the doors went down a seperate assembly line. All of these things must
merge at some point and this requires a method of scheduling. Since all
the
DeLoreans were alike, except for the transmissions, if one of the
component
systems, such as the chassis, is pulled off line for repair, they probably
just advanced the next frame forword to the marrige point with the other
components to keep the line moving.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:44:52 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Please help me
Yikes!! That really stinks. I can relate to the depression he must be
going through! I don't think you have to worry about the possibility of
repairing or replacing the delorean. Both possible options. Your
biggest problem with this is going to be that you are in SA.
Is there someone local to you that you trust to do the repair? Most of
the parts you will need are still available in the USA.
For purchase, I know PJ Grady has done export, and I am sure the other
DMC repair centers also will do export.
I would suggest that you take some pictures of the wrecked car and send
them to PJ Grady for evaluation. He MAY (I do not speak for them, or
represent them in any way!) be able to give you a estimate of repair
based on the pictures. With that information you can decide weather to
repair the car you have, or purchase a new one. Take in to
consideration what the import/export fees are.
I AM NO EXPERT ON INPORT/EXPORT, but it may be less expensive to repair
your car because if you ship the car here, have it repaired, and send it
back, you may be able to avoid the import/export fees.
Good Luck!
Marc
Jessica Pretorius wrote:
>
> Please help me, my dad had an accident in his delorean where a
> truck wiped out the whole back of his car and he has written his car off.
> He's really depressed and still hopes there might be a chance of repair
> or maybe an owner of a still existing one might want to sell. He begged
> me to look on the net for any information, so PLEASE if you know anything
> at all contact us. That car was his life!
>
> Thank you!
>
> Jessica Pretorius
>
> Tel: we live in S.A- 021 756453 or 083 625 0313.
> Address: 19 Castleview rd Constantia
> 7800
> Cape Town
> South Africa
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:27:18 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: DML: Insurance
For those of you trying to get insurance for your DeLoreans, I listed a
service below that will obtain quotes for you. It has a catagory for
DeLoreans. I went through it and it took me about 20 minutes.
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:12:40 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Dash cover
Not long ago I was asking for information on dash covers. Like most of you
My dash at 17 years old is on the verge of cracking and falling apart.
Apart from never taking it out during the day and using one of those
reflective windshield things.
Well I took a look at the commercial Dash covers and decided that they all
looked on the shabby side to me. So I decided to make one myself using
headliner material.
I now have a custom fit DMC Grey cover, that both blocks the Sun's UV,
but also keeps the interior cooler and looks good to boot!
I just want to thank every one for al the information on dash cover
resources.
Lee
81DMC-12
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:37:15 -0600
From: Greg Guillot <gguillot@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Axle nut size
Does anybody know the size of the axle nuts? I am planning to do a
brake overhaul this coming weekend, and need to purchase the correct
size socket.
Thanks,
Greg Guillot
VIN #2926
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