dmcnews-digest Tuesday, December 16 1997 Volume 03 : Number 312
In this issue:
Re: DML: Another reason for winter garage: Insurance
DML: Re: dmcnews-digest V3 #310
Re: DML: Nitrous
Re: DML: RE-GASSING STRUTS
Re: DML: My next project?
Re: DML: Nitrous
DML: Wiring Diagram
DML: Re: Wiring Diagram
DML: ADMIN NOTE: Web page updated
DML: 4x4 DeLorean
1983 Delorean For Sale
DML: Droopy doors and winter insurance
DML: (CarTalk) Are DeLorean Owners Wackos?
DML: More Power to Us!
DML: Car Talk Survey
DML: Re: gas struts
DML: Too much gas
Re: DML: Wiring Diagram
Re: DML: Droopy doors and winter insurance
DML: rubber tar-like stuff
DML: Regarding the Ram Air Scoops .....
DML: Ram Air Scoops
Re: DML: Too much gas
DML: ADMIN NOTE: Test track video for Windows, part manual
DML: Toyota Gullwing Dudes
DML: Re: Toyota Gullwing Dudes
DML: FS: '81, 5-speed, 35k miles
Re: DML: Ram Air Scoops
Re: DML: Too much gas
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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 15:28:45 -0500 (EST)
From: De Lorean <delorean@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Another reason for winter garage: Insurance
> This year I have a special deal with my insurance agent (my new
> father-in-law) wherby I cut my insurance to fire & theft only in the
> winter. This saves me several hundred dollars. The only penalty is that
> I can't take it on the road until spring.
> [snip]
> I believe this type of deal is hard to find. I had to marry into the
> family to get it.
Really?
I do this to my car in the winter... I've never had a problem removing
liability and collision (keeping comprehensive [fire & theft]) from it. I
put liability and collision back on it in the spring when I start driving
it again.
Jim Lund
jim@xxxxxxxxx
delorean@xxxxxxxxx
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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:49:44 EST
From: Paraversal <Paraversal@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: dmcnews-digest V3 #310
I don't know how many of you would still be interested in this, but I
think I
will take my chances.
I recently acquired a limited supply of Mint condition DeLorean DMC-12
Brochures, (from the dealer showroom) that were produced by DeLorean in
1981, to promote sales of the new car. These are the sales brochures the
Dealers
would give to prospective DeLorean customers, and to those who had
reserved a
DeLorean ahead of time. These are the ORIGIONAL brochures, NOT remakes, or
photocopies. "One of the top 25 collectables" --from The "Robb Report"
These
are EXTREEMLY RARE, especially in mint condition. I also have one
remaining
two-fold Pre-Production DeLorean Pamphlet, that I have left from my
initial
purchase of these documents. The pamphletes were made during the final
development of the DeLorean, and thus shows Specs, Interior Shots, and
Exterior shots of a Slightly
different DeLorean. It was yet yo have the "Window Inside Window" design
made
populiar by the DeLorean, but rather a bus-like, slide forward window.
It is
also missing the rear air intakes, and several other obvious things, but
is
different from the "Origional DeLorean Prototype." I don't plan on
selling
all of these (Brochures) off as they're quite rare, and as I had stated
before, I have only a limited quantity of these in my hands, so when
they're
gone, they're gone. All sales are first come,first serve. These priceless
brochures are $50, and the last two-fold pamphlet is priced at $25
respectively. These documents make wonderful DMC holiday gifts, and if you
contact me soon I can get them to you in time for the holiday season. I
work
mostly on a ckeck/money order basis, and you may check in with me at any
time
to check up on your order. For more Information, feel free to contact me
at
Paraversal@xxxxxxx Thankyou for your time
Justin
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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:24:32 -0700
From: reynolds@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Nitrous
Nitrous can be a bad thing for engines, if you overdo it. About the
only time I personally would consider nitrous would be on a tuned
injection before the turbocharger comes up to speed, that way you don't
loose lower end torque from adding the turbocharger. Make sure you
don't push more more horsepower than you plan to get out of the turbo,
that way you never really overwork the engine. There are quite a few
boost controllers that can 'talk' with pressure controllers to taper off
the nitrous feed as the turbo comes up, something to look into. One of
the best resources for such information is Turbo magazine....
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 01:29:00 +0000 (GMT)
From: The DMC-12 <msg101@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: RE-GASSING STRUTS
I have received a number of requests for further information on this
subject, on- and off the list. My information is based on a conversation
with on James Hooper,son of the owner of Right-hander #12179,
irish-registered.
They got the car in a shabby state, and the droopy doors was one of the
main problems.
The Gas struts work just like that on the boot (sorry - "trunk") of any
other car, and with a boot door, you have to lift it the first foot or so
until the struts do the job for you. That is what the Torsion bar is for -
that first 12 inches or so, the rest of the lift is purely down to the gas
struts.
I got the impression from this conversation that re-gassing of boot struts
was a commonplace and easy procedure that the owner's garage adapted to
the D's door struts with ease (they are, after all, standard parts :-) I
don't think it was a special service offered by a specific firm, but I
will ask next time I speak to him.
A word of warning: make sure the doors are well supported when you're
taking the struts off - they're heavier than you might think (said James
with a sore back :-)
Hope this helps,
Martin
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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:58:18 EST
From: JSteuben <JSteuben@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: My next project?
Dear Lee,
Funny that you should mention air scoops, Dick Ryan and I have been
talking
about this very subject.
There was an early issue of DeLorean World that showed the turbo
proto-type
that Legend Industries put together for John D. It had scoops that looked
perfectly stock and very much at home on the car. Something like that
would
be outstanding.
Looking at the intake system on my car (#1272), it occurs to me that the
plastic louvers on the air intake act as a 'blocker' when a scoop is
put on
top of them. It seems approprate that they would be removed in the name
of
maxium flow.
I'm not sure how the louver is installed, but maybe the scoop should have
a
dump tube, like a Naca-Duct on a race car. You may say that I'm
splitting
hairs, but the more air that can be brought to the intake system, and
the
more heat that can be disappated in the engine compartment, the happier
the
'D' Car (and it's owner) will be.
Go for it, I for one would be grateful.
Regards, Joe +<<<(:>})
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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 97 12:12:04 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Nitrous
> I've been looking for ways to increase power in my '83 dmc. I've been
> toying with aftermarket turbos and possibly with a nitrous system. I've
> seen lots of talk about turbocharging and such but never anything on
> nitrous. Has anyone ever heard of this being done?
Very bad idea. Not only is it good for just short burst of horsepower,
but
it
causes increased heat inside the cylinder walls. The delorean engine is
aluminum with pressed in steel liners. This causes a expansion of the
metal
but aluminum and steel expand and contract at different rates. It can
cause
severe engine damage. The very reason that letting your car overheat can
really destroy it in a very short time.
- -BM
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 97 03:28:12 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Wiring Diagram
Well, It looks like I'm going to have to get the scanner
and plotter going again. After a flood of private and
DML mail of folks wanting big diagrams, I guess I will
get to work. I'm going to be on the road over the
next week and weekend for job related task, then
over seas for the christmas week. So, when I return
in 1998, I will get to work on it. If anyone knows of any
errors on the diagram, let me know. Things like missing
component leads or incorrect labels. I have worked on
these cars for some time now and worked for a long
time without a diagram . So, I don't look at the diagram
much and may overlook some small error. Just write
me and let me know if you know of anything.
- -Brandon
bsmoody@xxxxxxx
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 06:52:09 -1000
From: "Thomas Smithson" <tsassoc@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Wiring Diagram
When you print the big diagram please put me on your list to reserve one.
Thanks a lot.
Thom Smithson
VIN #3089
Pearl City, Hawaii
- ----------
> time without a diagram . So, I don't look at the diagram
> much and may overlook some small error. Just write
> me and let me know if you know of anything.
>
> -Brandon
> bsmoody@xxxxxxx
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 97 11:23:07 -0700
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: ADMIN NOTE: Web page updated
Made somecahnges to the website this weekend...
Upload section 7 of the Parts Manual
Re-uploaded Section 1 after some complaints that it was corrupted
Back Issues updated through #311, 12/13/97
Still looking for someone to convert the test track video to Windows
format, anyone, anyone?
Also, please don't forget THE MAN this holiday season - send the guy a
card, and remember his 73rd birthday is coming up on January 6th. Let's
make sure he knows that there are a lot of people out here who still
think of him! His mailing address is as follows:
John Z. DeLorean
P.O. Box 285
Pluckemin, NJ 07921
Thanks!
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 97 11:28:46 -0700
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: 4x4 DeLorean
The last known whereabouts of this "thing" were in or around Austin,
Texas if memory serves. I will be in that area over Christmas and would
like to get more information about it so I can take some picture and get
some details for the list. Anyone with details, please contact me!
Thanks
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 17:26:23 EST
From: Chittim <Chittim@xxxxxxx>
Subject: 1983 Delorean For Sale
I have a 1983 Delorean for sale that has 16,500 original mile. Std 5 speed,
black leather interior, cassette, etc. I have spent the last year restoring
the Delorean including:
Brand new leather seats
Repainted trim to specs
New tires, master and slave cylinders, new filters, belts, hoses,
Runs extremely well.
Asking $18,000 or best offer.
Please pass the message along...
Any interested party can call me (David) at (504) 449-0927
Email at Chittim@xxxxxxx
The car is in the New Orleans Louisiana, Area...
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 09:32:35 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Droopy doors and winter insurance
Travis asked:
> Do the door pistons recover when the weather heats up, or should
> I go ahead and buy new pistons? If I do get new pistons, will they
> droop too?
The same thing happened to me my first winter with a DeLorean. While
the doors did not sag much in the summer, once the weather got cold I
started bumping my head. The DeLorean doors are much heavier than
the luggage compartment lid or the sunshade louver (or the hatchback on
a Chevette). This seems to make strut pressure much more sensitive in
the doors.
I put in new struts from DMC Houston and the problem was solved
immediately. They are easy to install (although I do recommend having a
helper hold the door open). The next question: do the struts lose gas
pressure faster during those cold winter months? I would love to know
the answer to that!
Jim Lund said (about removing insurance during the winter):
> . . . I've never had a problem removing liability and collision (keeping
> comprehensive [fire & theft]) from it. I put liability and collision back
> on it in the spring when I start driving it again.
My previous insurance agent flat out refused to do this for me. He said I
should be happy that I could get any insurance for a DeLorean at all and
that I should not press my luck. After one winter of this boloney I found
myself a new agent.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 10:16:04 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: (CarTalk) Are DeLorean Owners Wackos?
James said (about CarTalk owner survey page):
> While I *seriously* doubt they were referring to the owners as
> "wackos" (I imagine they were referring to the uniqueness of car),
> the choice of words is poor and also disrespectful of the car and
> the owners.
James is probably right, although Tom and Ray call EVERYBODY
wackos, including Supreme Court Justices, the entire state of Montana,
and everyone who lives in France. Besides, check out this other graph
from the survey results, in which the DeLorean comes in dead last:
http://cartalk.msn.com/Survey/Results/Charts/Demographics/makes.html
This is the graph of sample size for each car. Even with a bunch of
DMLers participating, the DeLorean was still the smallest sample they
accepted; much less than 1%. They would probably have rejected the
small DeLorean sample again like they did last year, except I nagged their
webmaster to *please* include it.
Based on the written comments (subtracting dupplicates), I count that as
few as 32 DeLorean Owners may have responded (maybe a lot of us
left no written comments?). Statistically, this is just a blip in the
data until
a LOT more DeLorean Owners respond.
So if you don't want to be called a wacko, then recruit more DeLorean
owners to put in their 20 minutes taking the survey. Once we get as
many DeLoreans in the survey as there are Eagles or Infinitis then they
have to consider the DeLorean data legitimate!
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 16:45:47 EST
From: dmc12@xxxxxxxx (Cynthia Carpenter A Carpenter)
Subject: DML: More Power to Us!
In the last issue, I read about a young man who had JZD sign a picture
of him with a DeLorean. He is 17 years old and aspires to one day own one
of the greatest cars on earth. I too am a 17 year old who's dream is to
do the same. I feel terrific about the recent increase in the intrest
from youths in the D. I hope that this trend continues into the future,
so that in years to come people can always recognize and truly appreciate
this legend. And that future owners, such as myself and Erik can take a
tremendous pride in owning the DeLorean.
Jeff Carpenter-------
DMC12@xxxxxxxx
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 17:35:11 EST
From: TGraham999 <TGraham999@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Car Talk Survey
I took the survey (about 2 monts ago) before I read the results and was
pleased to see the De Lorean at the top of the satisfaction list upon
completion. Mike is definitely right, I listen to these guys every week
and
they call anyone a "wacko" if he doesn't drive a Honda, Toyota, or Ford.
I
can't wait to call in someday and defend our cars...but until then, I
guess we
will just have to keep sending the hate mail and survey ballots.
BTW, their second rule of automotive ownership is: 2) Never, EVER
EVER...buy a
Peugeot. I wonder what they would say about a De Lorean?
Travis Graham
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:34:02 -0500
From: AARON1@xxxxxxxxx (AARON MILLS)
Subject: DML: Re: gas struts
I live in Michigan and I also have droopy struts when the temp. gets
below about 45F. however as soon as it warms up they work fine. I also
remove my struts in the winter for storage. This problem does not effect
just Deloreans. I have seen it on Jeeps, Blazers. Pathfinders, anything
w/heavy doors/tail gates that use gas struts.
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:12:00 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Klein" <klein98@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Too much gas
To everyone-
I have an almost brand new DeLorean. It has barely over 2,00
miles
on it, but after the first two weeks it will no longer run at full power
and
if you ask it to it will blow its belts. Steve Wynn and Robert GRady
believe that the problem has something to do with way too much gas going
into the engine and making its way into the exhaust system where the gas
ignites and makes the exhaust system molten hot, which melts the belts and
the heat shield. The only thing that I can think of that can cause this
is
the cold start system. We have already replaced the catalytic converter,
the oxygen sensor, all six fuel injectors, the idle computer, the spark
plugs, and retuned the car. Does anyone have any idea what else might be
causing this problem?
Thanks,
Steve
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:12:39 -0800
From: Hank Breer <hbreer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Wiring Diagram
A 24" x 36" enlargement of the wiring diagram is available from the
DeLorean Owners Association. Check with our Products Director at
mailto:products@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx for price.
Hank Breer
VIN 1141
DOA Board
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 01:35:18 -0800
From: cliff wallace <wlsms@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Droopy doors and winter insurance
Mike Substelny wrote:
>
> Travis asked:
>
> > Do the door pistons recover when the weather heats up, or should
> > I go ahead and buy new pistons? If I do get new pistons, will they
> > droop too?
>
> The same thing happened to me my first winter with a DeLorean. While
> the doors did not sag much in the summer, once the weather got cold I
> started bumping my head. The DeLorean doors are much heavier than
> the luggage compartment lid or the sunshade louver (or the hatchback on
> a Chevette). This seems to make strut pressure much more sensitive in
> the doors.
>
> I put in new struts from DMC Houston and the problem was solved
> immediately. They are easy to install (although I do recommend having a
> helper hold the door open). The next question: do the struts lose gas
> pressure faster during those cold winter months? I would love to know
> the answer to that!
>
>
> - Mike Substelny
It's normal for all gas struts to lose pressure in cold weather. Heat
expands molecules, in this case gas molecules giving rise to pressure.
So don't worry, your doors will not droop when warmer temperatures
arrive next season depending on your location. Temperatures 88 degrees
and above make mine fly open as soon as I let go of the door handle.
Right now mine droop somewhat because of the cold. My driver side has a
new strut and it droops a little in the winter. Just last week, here in
Oklahoma, we had 19 degree Farenheit weather with snow. THis week,
we're having upper 50 to 60 degree temperatures. Oklahoma weather, go
figure. During the daytime, especially in the sun at 60 degrees F, the
doors stay up just fine. Watch your head!!
Cliff Wallace
VIN #3773
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Date: 16 Dec 1997 08:30:36 -0600
From: "Kemp, Nick (MN10)" <Nick.Kemp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: rubber tar-like stuff
I purchased a new rubber boot this year when I opened the tank and found
that the old one had turned to tar. Supposedly the boots will turn to
tar
if exposed to gas fumes for long periods. I was also told that those who
keep the tank full during storage do not have this problem. Since the
source was good I presume this to be true.
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Date: 16 Dec 1997 08:31:31 -0600
From: "Kemp, Nick (MN10)" <Nick.Kemp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Regarding the Ram Air Scoops .....
The air inlet plumbing from the vent to the air filter includes a water
drain to prevent an accumulation of water in the tubing. The drain
protrudes from the bottom of the right rear fender. Since part of your
intent is to build up pressure be forewarned that this drain will do its
best to reduce the pressure. Add me to your list if "interested".
Nick Kemp
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 09:26:49 -0500
From: "Marc A Levy" <mxl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Ram Air Scoops
Wow! I dropped off my car at PJ Grady last weekend, and asked Rob about
his
very topic!
My DMC with the Island Turbo setup is sucking it's air from within the
engine compartment. My first project was to try and figure out a way of
getting cold air from the out side in to the intake. Air Temperature
makes
a big difference in fuel density.
Because the Alternator is in the way of the turbo unit, it was moved. It
is
now in the way of where the hose would be that goes from the air cleaner
to
the outside world. The result is that the intake is sucking air in from
within the engine compartment, across the exhaust manifold! Not the best
setup!
In my thoughts on the right way to fix this, I think that the air cleaner
box will need to be either re-designed, or modified. [Lee, Your a
plastic's
dude, right?! :-) ] The angle of the hose connection on the existing box
is such that it would be a sharp bend to get it around the alternator.
I am going to try an take some pictures this weekend, and see if I can
post
them somewhere. Then all non-turbo owners can see what I am talking
about.
Marc.
>Lee
>
>My, isn't it interesting how the same thoughts go around even though they
>emanate from different origins.
>
>I have been coresponding with several others about the "need" for scoops to
>provide "ram air". The primary people interested are those with turbos - -
>but several "normally aspirated" are interested as well.
>
>Dick Ryan
>The Rad Dad
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:11:39 +0000
From: ausmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Too much gas
Steve,
If you think it might be the cold start injector, let the engine warm
up and disconnect it.
Has anyone done a compression check?
Chris
> I have an almost brand new DeLorean. It has barely over 2,000 miles
> on it, but after the first two weeks it will no longer run at full power
> and if you ask it to it will blow its belts. Steve Wynn and Robert GRady
> believe that the problem has something to do with way too much gas going
> into the engine and making its way into the exhaust system where the gas
> ignites and makes the exhaust system molten hot, which melts the belts and
> the heat shield. The only thing that I can think of that can cause this
> is
> the cold start system. We have already replaced the catalytic converter,
> the oxygen sensor, all six fuel injectors, the idle computer, the spark
> plugs, and retuned the car. Does anyone have any idea what else might be
> causing this problem?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 10:29:45 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: ADMIN NOTE: Test track video for Windows, part manual
Thanks to the efforts of list members Tony Swiantek and Kevin Wolter, the
test track video is now available for Wintel machines running Quicktime.
Available at:
This ZIP file has also been tested under Windows95 as well as on the Mac
OS and works fine there, too. Mac users should use ZipIt or newer
versions of Stuffit to decompress ZIP files.
Also, Section 7 of the Parts Manual is now available. I failed to upload
the updated "files.html" file that refelected the links to the new PDF.
Please report any other broken or otherwise bad links to me.
Thanks!
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:05:02 PST
From: "Supratik Lahiri" <flying_delorean@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Toyota Gullwing Dudes
Hello, all!
As some of you know, I am vacationing in India right now, and
yesterday, I saw something... interesting.
There is this place called "Kemp Fort", in Bangalore (India),
which is as modern as ANY place in the U.S., which is quite hard to come
across nowadays in India. Anyway, the guy who built and owns this place
is a multi-million billionaire. (I know, that sounds wacko, but it's
true), anyway, when my family and I were on our way back to our car in
the garage, something strange struck my eye. It was some sort of a
Toyota car, it looked like it was from the U.S. (Most cars in India look
like something out of the 50s', but there are made that way for easy gas
comsumption). Now, the interesting thing is, as I walked over to take a
closer look at it, was that it had "creases" in the rook, showing where
gull-wing doors would open. I asked a employee about it, and he said,
"Yes, the doors go UP!". It was called the Toyota "Sera". Anybody know
anything about it? It's a two seater coupe, and is right handed. Of
course, all Indian cars are Right Handed, but it could have been
changed. Really, though, I want to know if it was custom made for the
guy, or it's a real car.
Thanks!
Supratik Lahiri
flying_delorean@xxxxxxxxxxx
AND
fearracer@xxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:31:36 -0500
From: "Charles O'Rourke" <parcel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Toyota Gullwing Dudes
>comsumption). Now, the interesting thing is, as I walked over to take a
>closer look at it, was that it had "creases" in the rook, showing where
>gull-wing doors would open. I asked a employee about it, and he said,
>"Yes, the doors go UP!". It was called the Toyota "Sera". Anybody know
>anything about it? It's a two seater coupe, and is right handed. Of
>course, all Indian cars are Right Handed, but it could have been
>changed. Really, though, I want to know if it was custom made for the
>guy, or it's a real car.
It's a Japanese domestic car... so it's not generally exported, and
they're all right-handed. There are also ones with four seats. It has a
1.6i GSI engine. The gull-wings aren't like the ones we De Lorean lovers
are used to -- they have two hinges, and they sort of go forward. I've
just added a bunch of pictures of them to my page
(http://jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu/~ceo1/) for anyone interested in checking it
out -- it's pretty weird looking.
- -Charles O'Rourke
parcel@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:30:57 -0700
From: "M@!" <splatt@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: FS: '81, 5-speed, 35k miles
My uncle is looking for a buyer for his '81 5-speed (35K). He lives in
Northern CA. The car is immaculate (he's a bit on the anal retentive
side,
but don't tell him I said that), and runs great. If you're interested,
drop me an email-DO NOT post to the group. If more details are needed,
please let me know. If you think someone you know would like to own a DMC
of their own please forward this information to them.
Matt Laun
splatt@xxxxxxxxx
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:17:23 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Ram Air Scoops
At 09:26 AM 12/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Wow! I dropped off my car at PJ Grady last weekend, and asked Rob about
>this very topic!
>
>My DMC with the Island Turbo setup is sucking it's air from within the
>engine compartment. My first project was to try and figure out a way of
>getting cold air from the out side in to the intake. Air Temperature
>makes a big difference in fuel density............. [Lee, Your a
>plastic's dude, right?! :-) ] .......
Reply:
I guess you could say that.....You are right about sharp angles...they
are
to be avoided when it comes to air flow if possible. And of course we all
know that just entering from the outside requires a right angle turn.
Adding an air scoop, if done properly will convert the momentum of the
incoming air to pressure provided there is no constriction in the intake.
If you can lay out a piping system in which the surface area across the
piping is never decreased and the total length in inches is less than the
square of the surface area in inches, you should get less than 1:1 psig
loss from friction. Which is what you have at the mouth of the intake
system (engine).
You may note that the existing intake system consist of a wrinkled tube,
filter box and plastic intake grill. The losses threw this system are
substantial. Just replacing the tube with a smooth counterpart will
improve
breathing.
If you scan your photos ma by James can suggest some way for us to down
load them?
Lee
VIN#5729
Lic 81DMC-12
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:16:57 -0800
From: Hank Breer <hbreer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Too much gas
Steve,
The previous owner of my DeLorean (VIN 1141) lived in Alaska and without
the anti-polution laws that most of us are subject to, had replaced the
exhaust system from the block out. Sounded Great, but to register it in
California, I had to rebuild it to stock.
With a new Cat Converter, O2 Sensor, Tuneup, etc. my exhaust system ran
EXTREMELY HOT! I attribute it to the cat running at almost 100%
efficiency. (On the emmissions test, it was difficult to tell that the
car was attached, the readings were so low.)
Slowly, things calmed down on their own. I never melted a belt, but did
have to replace the heat shield twice.
You could temporarily remove the cat and fabricate a pup piece to bridge
the gap. If things cool down, then the 'problem' is the cat and time
will solve it.
Hank Breer
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