dmcnews-digest Friday, January 8 1999 Volume 03 : Number 466
In this issue:
DML: heater motors
DML: Strange find at Home Depot
Re: DML: Prices and locations
RE: DML: PARTS CAR ('81) FOR SALE
DML: RE: RE: heater motors (was "here's an easy question")
DML: Re: Prices and locations
DML: For Sale
DML: Stainless Solutions
DML: West of Laramie
Re: DML: Legend Turbo setup
DML: Correction
Re: DML: Re: Intercoolers
DML: Cigar lighter
DML: Stripping the D
Re: DML: Re: Intercoolers
DML: Engine History
Re: DML: Re: Inter coolers
Re: DML: Legend Turbo setup
Re: DML: Re: Intercoolers
Re: DML: New to list.
louvre brace (was: Re: DML: Stainless Solutions)
DML: Stereo Speakers
DML: DMC Misconceptions
DML: Re: Cigar lighter
DML: DeTomasa Pantara and Mangusta
Re: DML: Stripping the D
DML: Fans Spinning backwards
Re: DML: Engine History
Re: DML: Engine History
Re: DML: Theft prevention
Re: DML: Re: Intercoolers
Re: DML: DMC Misconceptions
DML: Availability Of Delorean Motor Cars In The Uk.
DML: Engine History: where can I find some more detail info.
DML: DeLorean for raffle
Re: DML: Theft prevention
DML: RE: Cigar lighter
Re: DML: Theft prevention
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:03:21 -0500 (EST)
From: AARON1@xxxxxxxxx (AARON MILLS)
Subject: DML: heater motors
Just to add to the thread, I too have the motor made for the monza. I
got it from our shops heating/ A/C supplier. It fits and works great
(and spins correct). cost:$30-40.
Aaron
vin 11554
MI plate STAINLS
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:58:46 EST
From: ABatt10347@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Strange find at Home Depot
Fellow DMCer's,
If you want the ultimate Delorean item, check out Home Depot's "Delorean
Gray"
grout. I had purchased some 12" x 12" tile to redo the kitchen floor and
was
looking at the colored grout and low and behold there it was. Yes, it is
about
the correct color and my wife liked it, so in a few weeks our kitchen will
have "Delorean Gray" grout.
Bruce Battles
Vin# 6569
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:51:03 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Prices and locations
On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 Dod1956498@xxxxxxx wrote:
> About what is the cheapest price I could buy a De Lorean car that
> runs, good body,exhaust,A\C,stereo,and where could I get it and how
> could I get it to my home in West Virginia?
Maybe $10,000 to $12,000. That requirement that it runs about doubles the
price. For one that is actually mechanically sound, you will probably pay
about $15K. The first price would be for one that runs but has problems.
Your best place is to look at the for-sale listings on dmcnews.com. There
are other places on the web that sell the cars but this is the most
reliable. Something like Hemmings Motor News or another collector car
magazine is a good place to look; their prices tend to be higher. You
might get "lucky" and find one at a dealer. I would never buy a DeLorean
from a dealer. Finally, you could look in regular paper classifieds. I
see a DeLorean every few months for sale in the local paper. Your library
should have an assortment of papers from various cities. Their prices
tend to be a little higher too.
You could always buy one from one of the DeLorean centers such as DMC
Houston, etc. These will tend to be fairly expensive but in very good
condition.
As for getting it home, there are companies that ship cars. Usually they
will load it onto a flatbed trailer and haul it out to you, often this
will be covered or even totally enclosed. Or, if it's in good enough
shape, you could always drive it if you have the time. You'll probably
want to travel to wherever the car is to inspect and pay for it, anyway.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:25:21 -0500
From: Gerald Deutsch <Jerry1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: DML: PARTS CAR ('81) FOR SALE
I have pictures of a rolled D. I got them a few years ago from a guy who =
was selling it. He was originally going to restore it, but changed his =
mind and wanted, I think, 3 G's for it. I'm gonna have to look for those =
pics. I know I've got them somewhere... ---Dan
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From: DMC5524@xxxxxxx[SMTP:DMC5524@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 12:42 AM
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: PARTS CAR ('81) FOR SALE
If anyone goes and looks at this car PLEASE take pictures. I have never=20
heard
of a DeLorean rolling over and I think it would be interesting to see =
how=20
it
looks.
MDC
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:35:05 -0500
From: Gerald Deutsch <Jerry1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: RE: heater motors (was "here's an easy question")
That's great guys, but I already fixed my problem. I think that I am the =
first person ever to do this. Joe agrees with me as being the first. All =
I did was open up the motor assembly by drilling out the rivets. Then, I =
turned the one part of the assembly (lower) half way around and put it =
back together. There is an impression on the other side where I drilled =
the hole for the positive contact to go through. Then, all I had to do =
was re-drill the 5 rivet holes, which was a bit difficult because I had =
to line it up right; but it wasn't too bad, and put it back together. =
Now it spins the proper way! It works great!!! And it didn't cost me a =
dime! I was also able to get some of the rust removed from the inside =
that had accumulated. I also lubed up the lower pivot point on the =
motor, so now it doesn't squeak anymore either. Ain't life great?!?!?!? =
- ---Dan #5493=20
BTW, my car will be at PJ Grady's shop very soon, so if you wanna check =
out an interesting paint scheme, get on over there... Should be there by =
friday.
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:07:40 -0500
From: "R. Starling" <doctor280@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Prices and locations
When I conducted my search for a Delorean I mainly used this list and
various other Delorean web sights to obtain the information that you are
seeking.
Also while I was searching, I created a web sight of my own, so that
anyone
who wanted to could follow my progress. The sight is "Stainless Steel
Dream"
http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/stainlesssteel/index.html
Classifieds2000 is also a good place to look for a Delorean. This is
where I
located my Dream.
http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/SearchNew.exe?Q254399801+Excite+Auto
+
Just click on new search and follow the instructions.
Good Luck,
Robert Starling
Vin#5252
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:26:41 -0500
From: "Watkins Family watbmv@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <watbmv@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: For Sale
I have for sale a used black custom DMC dash cover. The previous owner
liked the black cover on the gray interior. I'm not partial to it so I
have ordered a gray one. I'm asking $19.95 +4.50 shipping. Please
e-mail
me at watbmv@xxxxxxxxxxxx if interested.
Thanks
Tom Watkins
#5732
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:43:08 EST
From: JCox4001@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Stainless Solutions
Kayo, and Fellow DML'ers,
My grammar suffers a great deal, I am after all a Southerner. However, I
did
recheck my post because I didn't want any confusion, and behold, my
grammar,
and punctuations are correct. But to clear up any confusion, we were
talking
about stainless steel bumper inserts that go into the recessed letters on
the
bumper, and not a stainless steel bumper. Wo! wouldn't that pull the
front
wheels off the ground?
Jeff
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:34:35 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: West of Laramie
There is an interesting history of the American automobile called West of
Laramie located at
http://www.comm.wayne.edu/staff/wright/autohistory/00.html
chapters 15 and 16 have some information on JZD and the DeLorean there.
Nothing earth shaking. They talk more about the Bricklin. :\
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:27:39 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Legend Turbo setup
At 10:27 PM 1/5/99 -0800, you wrote:
><snip>
>>The rear quarter windows were replaced with air scoops that fed the turbos
><snip>
>
>Does anyone have pictures of these scoops? Anyone interested in producing
>replicas? (Lee?)
>
>- Dave
>
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reply:
Hi Dave,
I have scoops all ready to go, but until I get the limited edition project
completed, the scoops will have to wait.
Lee
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:51:32 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Correction
Correction
Pictures of the finished De Lorean
Limited edition
are at:
http://www.totalimmersion.com/silver6.html
and
silver7.html
Text descriptions are on the DMC Bullet inboard
as
KitsText.doc
Sorry about the error posted this morning
Lee Fumble Finger
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 19:39:05 -0800
From: Ben Krasnow <kraz@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Intercoolers
Intercoolers have one purpose: Cool the air that comes out of a turbo
or supercharger before it gets to the combustion chamber. The problem
with un-intercooled turbos is that the discharge from the compressor is
very hot (upwards of 160F*). This causes two major problems. First the
same volume of hot air is far less dense than cool air (the molecules
are moving faster and farther apart). This lower air mass will cause
the engine to produce less power than it would running on cooler air.
This relates back to why people use turbos in the first place, to pump
more air into the engine. Cooler air will support a more powerful
charge than hot air. The second reason hot air from forced induction
systems will be problematic is detonation or pre-detonation. Knocking
or pinging (detonation) may be experienced under high boost because the
air is so hot coming from the turbo, the gas will not explode smoothly.
Even worse is pre-detonation, where the mixture actually explodes before
a spark is produced. This severly cuts power and risks engine damage.
Intercoolers help both of these problems, creating more power and,
protecting the internal engine parts by controling detonation.
Procharger superchargers have a great web site on forced induction, and
they have graphs and numbers that explain the benfits of intercooling.
This is a really good site for those interested in intercooled forced
induction: http://www.procharger.com/
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:58:24 -0500
From: Michael Pack <mpack1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Cigar lighter
Could someone please tell me how to connect it. I have 4 wires there.
2 purple wires that come together into one connection.
1 orange wire.
1 black.
I have the orange connected to the light ring (Green Ring)
The black and the 2 purple wires to the heating element.
The light stays on even with the key out of the ignition.
Did I cross something?
Sincerely
Michael Pack
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:28:28 -0500
From: "." <jdl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Stripping the D
Beware before stripping! Although many D's were painted for looks, many =
D's that have had body damage have been painted to cover up =
imperfections. Where there is unnecessary paint, there often lurks =
filler! Best of Luck!
David Levey
Cleveland
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:33:44 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Intercoolers
On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Robert Rooney wrote:
> Maybe it's just me, but I was always under the impression that the
> intercoolers were designed to cool air down in order to compress it so
The intercoolers cool the air only after it is compressed. How could one
cool air before it is compressed? The intercooler works by flowing the
hot, compressed air through a radiator-like device which transfers the
heat into fresh air from outside (or into the engine cooling system in
some cases). If you tried to do this before you compressed it, the air
would all be the same temperature and no cooling effect would take place.
The act of compression makes the air hot enough that the intercooler
becomes effective.
> motor. Hence why they are usually mounted in the front of most cars to
> catch airflow. If I am wrong about something, please let me know.
The front is the best place for it, because there is more air there.
However, a more pressing requirement is that the intercooler physically be
in the engine compartment (where it can be of use to the air coming out of
the turbo). Most cars this is the same, but the DeLorean rear engine
makes it not. You would have to transport the cold air from the front of
the car back somehow so that it could be used in the engine compartment.
This would require some complex plumbing, a fan system, etc. I don't
think there is such a shortage of air that it would require all this
effort.
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:11:07 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Engine History
William,
Here is the history of engines considered for the DeLorean.
Mazda Wankel 2 rotor 12B, GM 2.4 liter 4 cylinder, Ford German built 2.8
liter V-6, Citroen CX 2000 4 cylinder, and finally, thank god, the PRV-6.
One of the big problems was finding a rear drive trans axle that would
mate
with the rear mounted engine. The other was a matter of logistics. With
the
clock ticking and the pressure building to get the car to market there was
little time to run the required 50,000 mile emissions durability
certification tests required by the EPA. The PRV which was already
approved
for Volvo's and Peugeot's only required a 5,000 mile test. Additionally
the
PRV with a rear drive transaxle was already being built for the Renault's
Alpine A310 which was marketed in Europe. And finally Societe
Franco-Suedoise de Moteurs of Douvrain France the engine manufacturing
consortium of Puegot, Renault, and Volvo had the manufacturing capacity to
supply the DeLorean Motor Company with all the engines they needed. This
was a good decision. Just check the archives and you will see, that of all
the mechanical problems with the DeLorean, almost none are concerned with
the interior of the PRV workhorse.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 23:31:10 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Inter coolers
At 02:35 PM 1/6/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Maybe it's just me, but I was always under the impression that the
>intercoolers were designed to cool air down in order to compress it so
>that
>there is more space available for an additional amount of air to be pumped
>into the engine for a hotter, more efficient, & quicker burn inside the
>combustion chambers (same principal as Nitrous Oxide,)and thus speed up
>the
>motor. Hence why they are usually mounted in the front of most cars to
>catch
>airflow. If I am wrong about something, please let me know.
>
reply:
Hi Robert,
Past the fact I don't seam to be able to distinguish the difference
between inter coolers and oil coolers maybe the following will be of
interest.
In burning fuel to produce power several things need to be present, fuel,
air an ignition source, which when combined creates heat which causes
rapid
expansion of the products of the combustion. The fuel air ratio is
generally 13 to 1 air to fuel. Once you have a volume of expanding
combustion products you then need something to convert it to do work.
In the case of our internal combustion engine, we use a metal piston in
an
inclosed cylinder. The piston is pushed down the cylinder by the expending
combustion products and being connected to a mechanical crank converts the
expanding combustion products in to spinning a metal shaft that eventually
ends up turning a tire resting on the ground.
Now amount of force the combusting can do is determined by the amount of
fuel and air that is contained in the space between the top of the piston
and the cylinder above it.
Under ordinary conditions the amount of fuel and air is determined by
what
the piston can draw in or aspirate, the ratio of fuel and air is
controlled
by a carburetor that mixes the fuel and air before it is drawn into the
cylinder by the piston.
If you want more power from the piston and cylinder then you have to
force
more air into the cylinder, which allows more fuel to be added, which
increases the heat released in the burning of the fuel and causes more
expansion of the combustion products.
No matter how you force more air into the cylinder, the air heats up as
it
is compressed, which causes it to expand, thus detracting from to amount
that would be forced into the cylinder. To improve the whole process,
cooling the "compressed hot air" allows for more air to be forced into the
cylinder. It also reduces the total amount of heat that must be removed
from the engine while it is running.
I hope this was of some help.
Lee
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:56:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Andrew Prentis <aprentis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Legend Turbo setup
- ---Dave Price <davep2@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The rear quarter windows were replaced with air
> scoops that fed the turbos
> Does anyone have pictures of these scoops>
>
The DeLorean "Gold Portfolio" has a picture of the
air scoops which fed the turbo in car # 000502. JZD
is quoted as saying " the car's performance and
manners finally match it's good looks".
Andrew Prentis
Sydney, Australia
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:51:58 -0700 (MST)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Intercoolers
RE the ongoing intercooler discussion:
Cooler air is denser air. Pack more air into the cyclinders and you
produce more HP. Also, with cooler air provided by intercoolers, you can
raise the boost on the turbos without a corresponding increase in
detonation. Why then don't all the turbo'd D's have intercoolers?
Well, there are a couple of reasons. Truly efficient intercoolers are not
cheap, especially if you have the twin setup. Second, to get benefit from
the intercoolers they must be in a location where they can have access to
gobs of ambient air in order to do their job. Thus, in most cars the
intercoolers are in the front and, in fact, even in front of the car's
radiator. That's not practical with a rear engined car.
Imagine the heat problems we would have if our D's had their radiators in
the rear engine compartment. Yuk! Now, putting the intercoolers in that
same space gets the same reaction - - inefficient.
Partial solution - scoops - something to grab the ambient air and then
flood the vanes of the intercooler(s).
My personal conclusion is that intercoolers would help our turbo'd D's
only
if we have some method of cooling the engine compartment. I'd start with
wrapping or coating the exhausts and then looking for some way to force
air
across the intercoolers. Short of that I suspect that the investment
wouldn't produce the desired results.
BTW, I have personally seen only one intercooled twin turbo setup and that
owner had scoops custom fabricated.
I guess this was more than $.02 worth???
Dick Ryan
VIN 16867
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 06:07:02 -0800
From: Richard Lew <2evm@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: New to list.
Walt:
I was fortunate to purchase my DeLorean for less than $5K but it did
have many problems which I pretty much took care of myself. I had a
fuel distributor that was contaminated and had to be rebuilt, replaced
missing parts such as an air cleaner, reupholstered the seats and dash
pads, and countless hours of replacing wirings and tracing out leads
from the electrical system. After 2 months, I was able to get it
running and smogged and drivable. I knew coming into the deal that I
would be working on getting it running. Now I'm just catching up on
some of the neglected maintenance items like cooling hose replacements
and such. If you have the time, it will be well worth it. I know!! I
went to my 25th high school reunion and all the "old" cheerleaders who
are now divorced (some more than once) were asking for a ride in it.
Sorry to say, I had my wife with me at the time.
Richard
2evm@xxxxxxxxx
California
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 11:24:03 -0500
From: Richard Strecker <dmc1219@xxxxxxx>
Subject: louvre brace (was: Re: DML: Stainless Solutions)
Guys,
This isn't a new idea.... Dave Bauerle (Bauerle Automotive
740-595-3348) has been manufacturing and selling these for
years. In fact one of the prizes awarded at the Cincinnati
show was the Louvre Support. I'm sure that if you were to
contact David that he would be more than happy to supply
your needs.
Richard
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:29:54 -0800
From: DJ LaForge <dj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Stereo Speakers
I have heard many suggestions on improving the speakers in the D, but
surprisingly no one has mentioned using a powered subwoofer (like a bass
canon or bazooka tube). It seems like this would be a good addition to
any
sound system in the Delorean, especially since it could be mounted in the
luggage compartment right behind the dash. Has anyone tried this?
- -D.J. LaForge
VIN 07135
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:12:54 -0700
From: "Ace Underhill" <aceu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DMC Misconceptions
Some More True Things I've heard:
*The BEST thing to clean that with is steel wool.
- -O.k. Kramer.
* I was in the Navy. Give me 20 bucks and I can make your hood rust.
- -I don't want a rusty hood, not even for your bargain price of $20.
*How's that helicopter engine running?
- -Gee, Which helicopter was it that had a PRV?
*The engine was put in the back so they could smuggle coke in the front. =
Customs won't check up front because that's where the engine is =
supposed to be.
- -Yeah, those stupid Customs people.
*Is your car electric?
- -Yeah, that's why I'm standing at Chevron pumping 92 octane into it.
*Do you have one of Delorean's snowmobiles too?
- -Yeah, I use it alot in Phoenix.
*I used to work on these all the time...5 mins. later... How do you get =
reverse?
*I used to work on these all the time...7 mins. later... How do you open =
the engine cover?
- -Sure.
*I remember these. It's one of those ah, Sterling, um, silver, kit cars =
ain't it?
- -I'm gonna run you over, dumbass.
*This car will go over 200 mph.
- -Yep, I just shift into 7th gear...
*This car was built by gangsters.
- -SLAP, SLAP!
*That's a Ford engine.
*That's a Chevy engine.
*That's a VW engine.
*That's a Chrysler engine.
*That's a helicopter engine.
*That's a snowmobile engine.
- -Really?
-Ace Underhill-
Vin: 2860
AZ Lic: 8T8 MPH
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:15:00 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Cigar lighter
Michael,
The two purple wires are the 12 volt supply to the lighter, the orange /
red wire is for the instrument lamp and the black wire is ground. If the
light is on all the time your probably have the double purple and orange /
red wires reversed.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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> Could someone please tell me how to connect it. I have 4 wires there.
> 2 purple wires that come together into one connection.
> 1 orange wire.
> 1 black.
>
> I have the orange connected to the light ring (Green Ring)
> The black and the 2 purple wires to the heating element.
>
> The light stays on even with the key out of the ignition.
> Did I cross something?
>
> Sincerely
> Michael Pack
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:50:22 -0500
From: Michael Pack <mpack1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeTomasa Pantara and Mangusta
At the Bowie British Car Day in Bowie Maryland I was asked about
DeTomasa's "other" car... the DeLorean. Many think that the DMC is from
the FORD engine and DETOMASA company from the 1960's & 1970's. The rear
of the de Tomasa Mangusta is a gullwing type opening and this could
confuse some lookers.
Sincerely
Mike Pack
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:49:18 EST
From: DeLorean31@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Stripping the D
In a message dated 1/7/99 1:54:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jdl@xxxxxxxxxxx
writes:
<< Beware before stripping! Although many D's were painted for looks,
many =
D's that have had body damage have been painted to cover up =
imperfections. Where there is unnecessary paint, there often lurks =
filler! Best of Luck!
David Levey
Cleveland
>>
The D I am looking at right now which I plan on buying has a racing stripe
painted on each side of the car. I was wondering how many people here
have
had experience stripping paint off a D. I know this isnt like stripping a
whole car but I am very nervous about haveing the right shop do the job
and
also making sure I use the right stripping method and product. Can this
be
done at home with a small amount of paint to be stripped like this? Any
help
would be appreciated. Please email me privately
Thanks in advance,
Gary
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:17:04 -0500
From: Frederick Embden <fembden@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Fans Spinning backwards
It should be noted that the new fans are correct, and spin in the right
direction.
The reasons behind all this..
Several articles 95-96 addressed defective blower (heater) motors that
for no apparent reason started to spin backwards. (Mine did) The
traditional fix was to reverse the wires at the motor. Now when your
previous owner did this, and you the current owner decides to replace
your now defective fan motor, guees what? It will spin backwards, by
reversing the leads you are now back to the original configuration.
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:51:57 EST
From: CBL302@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Engine History
A response,on turbo's and engines,I could never figure why Delorean never
thought of using the lotus esprite engine,since the delorean shared the
same 5
speed tranny,and other major parts (such as windshield),it would have
automatically come standard with a and a intercooler and turbo,since all
the
engineering was done by Lotus.
Claude
000570
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:49:16 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Engine History
On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 CBL302@xxxxxxx wrote:
> A response,on turbo's and engines,I could never figure why Delorean
> never thought of using the lotus esprite engine,since the delorean
> shared the same 5 speed tranny,and other major parts (such as
> windshield),it would have
The Lotus Esprit is a mid-engine car (engine behind the seats but ahead of
the rear wheels) whereas the DeLorean is a rear engine car (engine behind
rear wheels). Apparently there isn't room for a mid engine design. But I
think a more important reason is cost. The DeLorean was intended to be a
car that the average individual can buy. It turned out to be a little
more expensive than "average" but still much cheaper than the Lotus. The
DeLorean was produced in vastly higher numbers than the Esprit and there
would not have been enough engines to go around. These two factors were
probably the main reasons why the Lotus engine was not considered.
However, the design of the Esprit's intercooler(s) might help in trying to
figure out how an intercooler might be added to the DeLorean. I think
this could really improve performance as it would allow more boost.
Anybody have an Esprit or know this information? The Toyota MR2 is
another mid-engine car that managed to find room for an intercooler, and
these are a lot easier to come by. Maybe somebody has one of THOS.
Another option would be an air to water intercooler. Harder to build but
at least we can already keep the water cool...
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:50:05 EST
From: ShadowDMC@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Theft prevention
In a message dated 1/3/99 9:08:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
KayoOng@xxxxxxx
writes:
<< You can temporary use the inertia switch to cut the fuel supply if you
are in a situation where you feel the need for it. Just pull the
plunger
upwards on the inertia switch to cut off fuel pump. Before you start up
the
car
press, the plunger downwards and hit the ignition. There is no adverse
effect
to the car or fuel system. >>
Just a question can you also use a cut off switch on the fuel injection
system. No fuel, no start Right? Not to mention your don't loose your
radio
station presets and the time on the clock.
Orlando Lopez
#06882
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:28:23 -0800
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Intercoolers
RE the ongoing intercooler discussion:
>Cooler air is denser air. Pack more air into the cyclinders and you
>produce more HP. >Well, there are a couple of reasons. Truly efficient
>intercoolers are not
>Second, to get benefit from
>the intercoolers they must be in a location where they can have access to
>gobs of ambient air in order to do their job.
Denser air provides for slower combustion, hence an easier to control.
mix.
Hot air mixed with fuel creates a more volatile mix that combusts too
quickly and catches the piston still in the up stroke. This causes some
mechanical conflicts referred to as detonation. You can play with ignition
timing but as you retard the spark the power drops off which defeats the
whole scenario.To put intercoolers in the front of the DeLorean would
require tubing runs far too long and the pressure drop over that length
would, again,defeat the purpose of the turbocharger. Turbo charging is, in
many ways, a game of compromises.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 14:28:21 -0500
From: bttfdmc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: DMC Misconceptions
HELICOPTER engine! Think they got that confused with the Tucker.
At 12:12 PM 1/7/99 -0700, you wrote:
(SNIP)
>
>*How's that helicopter engine running?
>-Gee, Which helicopter was it that had a PRV?
>
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:24:41 -0000
From: "Mikael Evans" <mikael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Availability Of Delorean Motor Cars In The Uk.
Hi Im Mikael And Im From S.Wales
I Would Like To Hear From Anyone Who Has Any Information As To The =
Whereabouts Of Any Delorean Motor Cars For Sale In The U.k
Thankyou very much.
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 20:12:48 -0500
From: chantarat.1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Engine History: where can I find some more detail info.
Hello List!
Is there any one that could , please, help specifying the "SPECIFIC"
model of
the cars that use the same PRV6 engine as in the D? Please help specify
it
by model year and name, manufacturer, etc.
Is there any book or liturature that I can learn more in details about
the
PRV6 engine?
Thank you very much in advance.
Best Regards,
Navara Chantarat
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:12:14 -0600
From: "Steve" <SteveDMC@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean for raffle
I heard about the D to be raffled off in March of 99. I was wondering if
anyone knew the location of the school it will be auctioned at? I looked
at
the schools website and they don't have much info about the D to be
raffled.
Does anyone have any info that could help? Thanks in advance.
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:36:08 EST
From: KayoOng@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Theft prevention
Orlando,
I am not sure what you are trying to get across????
As far as my posting, "I said cut the feed wire on top of the inertia
switch."
The wire that I am referring to is the wire that feeds power to the fuel
pump.
This wire works with the inertia switch which will disconnect the
electrical
power to the fuel pump in case of an accident by a violent jolt or
impact.
Remember the purpose of the inertia switch is for sensing sudden
impact--accidents. It is to stop the pumping of fuel. In case of a
serious
crash or should the DeLorean flip, being upside down the fuel pump will
stop
pumping if the inertia switch is "tripped." If your inertia switch is
"tripped" accidentally as a case with one fellow who posted his story a
while
back, you simply push the plunger down. This fellow didn't know about the
inertia switch and spent money to get the car towed. He did eventually
found
the reason why his car won't start. The plunger was up on his inertia
switch.
If you inspect your inertia switch by lifting the plunger, the engine will
stop and not run. You will also notice that the clock still runs. My
does.
What do you mean, or what are you referring to about the clock in
reference to
the inertia switch? This has wire has nothing to do with the clock. What
about the fuel injection? What are you implying here? Can you please
explain? Maybe you or I have a different wiring to the inertia switch,
clock
and etc.? I like to learn about your findings or the differences with our
cars or your reasons???
Incidentally, on early cars they had a factory recall on defective inertia
switchs. My car was updated and I have original dealer receipt on the
part
and work performed.
Kayo Ong
#05508
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:37:24 -0600
From: "Travis Graham" <travis.h.graham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: RE: Cigar lighter
Apparently this is a somewhat common problem. I had the same thing happen
to me once when I had the console out. I found a quick answer for my
problem in the archives: http://www.dmcnews.com/backissues/dml104.html.
Knut Grimsrud provided the solution - thanks Knut!
Travis Graham
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From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Michael Pack
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 9:58 PM
To: dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Cigar lighter
The [cigar lighter] light stays on even with the key out of the ignition.
Did I cross something?
Sincerely
Michael Pack
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:07:52 -0500
From: "J" <sundiver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Theft prevention
- -----Original Message-----
From: ShadowDMC@xxxxxxx <ShadowDMC@xxxxxxx>
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: DML: Theft prevention
>In a message dated 1/3/99 9:08:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>KayoOng@xxxxxxx
>writes:
>
>You can temporary use the inertia switch to cut the fuel supply if you
>are in a situation where you feel the need for it. Just pull the plunger
> upwards on the inertia switch to cut off fuel pump. Before you start up
>the car
> press, the plunger downwards and hit the ignition. There is no adverse
>effect to the car or fuel system. >>
If I'm parking my car somewhere that I feel is unsafe, I pull out the
fuel
pump relay and stick it in my pocket. Then no one is moving the car
without a tow truck or flatbed.
Or course, that won't stop someone from breaking a window, but oh well...
- - J
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