dmcnews-digest Sunday, December 27 1998 Volume 03 : Number 459
In this issue:
DML: Wrecked DeLorean Search?
DML: The Good Life
DML: looking for items
Re: DML: Re: Newbie...Looking for repair manual
DML: Re: VIN's between 520 and 614? Anyone, anyone?
DML: "DE LOREAN: Gold Portfolio" book, and Houston, TX!
DML: DeLorean VIN 00557
DML: VIN 500-614
DML: DML : need translation
DML: Re: Another Weird Electrical thing..
DML: High RPM at Idle
Re: DML: Re: VIN's between 520 and 614? Anyone, anyone?
Re: DML: "DE LOREAN: Gold Portfolio" book, and Houston, TX!
DML: Re: looking for items
DML: Re: Drive Shaft (CV Joint problem) (HELP!!)
DML: Comment.
DML: last DMC produced
DML: Re: High RPM at Idle
Re: DML: VIN 500-648
Re: DML: "DE LOREAN: Gold Portfolio" book, and Houston, TX!
Re: DML: "DE LOREAN: Gold Portfolio"
DML: New Owner
DML: Re: 1981DMC 12 FOR SALE
Re: DML: "DE LOREAN: Gold Portfolio"
DML: motor swap question
Re: DML: Re: High RPM at Idle
Re: DML: ISBN for "Gold Portfolio"
DML: 0-60 times, limos
Re: DML: Sort of a Holiday Downer
DML: "Gold Portfolio"
DML: Last 24k gold D
DML: Hardcastle&MCcormick Delorean
DML: Re: Drive Shaft (CV Joint problem) (HELP!!)
DML: List of VIN's
DML: Re: New Owner
Re: DML: Re: Newbie...Looking for repair manual
DML: Re: I need the top cover for the engine cover
DML: Re: looking for items
Re: DML: 4-Door "D" and ISBN#
Re: DML: Last 24k gold D
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:46:54 +0000
From: "Ian T. A. Foster" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Wrecked DeLorean Search?
Hallo DMCers,
Does anyone have, or know of, a wrecked DMC (hit on the passengers side)
for sale? I need a good driver's door and driver's side front fender and
rear quarter panel.
Yes I got hit on the driver's side! Although not as bad as I first
feared, it caused considerable cosmetic damage to the driver's side
(door took most of the force, with edges of front(ahh!) and rear fenders
hit!). Also need all the fibreglass bits and pieces around the door
sill.
If you have any info. please email me direct at <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>.
I wish you all a Merry Christmas and hope no one finds themselves EVER
in my present predicament!!!
Cheers, IAN
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:35:12 -0700
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: The Good Life
'Tis Christmas eve
My shopping's done
There is a light snow falling
VIN 16867 is tucked away for the winter..
Life is Good!!
A glorious holiday season to all DMLers.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:30:16 -0500
From: Gerald Deutsch <Jerry1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: looking for items
I would like to get that little owners manual booklet that came in the =
glovebox of the DeLoreans when they were new. Unfortunately, my car =
didn't have one when I bought it. I am also looking for a replacement =
dash, binnacle, and glovebox door in grey. I am also in need of the =
grilles that go inside the rear louvers (sunshade). I would also like a =
cargo net and that metal piece that goes around the radio and heater =
controls on the dash (it doesn't matter to me if it has been cut for an =
aftermarket radio or not. Either way, no big deal). If anyone has any of =
these items available, and doesn't want gold or my first born son for ="">
them, please e-mail me directly. Thank you. ---Dan
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:09:47 -0500
From: chantarat.1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Newbie...Looking for repair manual
Hi!
I am the DeLorean enthusiast ( not own one yet) and just join the list.
Do you have any experience of where can I find the used copy at the lower
price for DeLorean workshop manual? How much should it be for the new one?
Thank you very much and Merry Christmas !!
Best Regards;
Navara
DMC Joe wrote:
> Chris,
> Manuals are available from most of the the DeLorean part suppliers. Ask
> for
> the Workshop Manual and Parts Manual.
>
> DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:53:41 EST
From: dmcnut@xxxxxxxx (David Toscano)
Subject: DML: Re: VIN's between 520 and 614? Anyone, anyone?
A "friend of a friend," named Bloomfield or Broomfield, claims to own
"the second completed DeLorean." I have seen the car but only when
driving through the gentleman's parking lot (it is kept at his business),
it is an early '81 w/gas filler flap and is/was registered in MA. I
could get the reg. number from one of my photos if someone could run it
through the DMV we could finally know the VIN. I believe the owner had
some relation to DMC (the company) itself and he is very reluctant to
discuss it. His sons are my age (early-mid 20s) and one of them has even
allowed a friend of mine to drive the car. It is an automatic, interior
color unknown. I told Knut Grimsrud about this a few months back,
unfortunately neither him nor myself has time to explore this much. The
car is usually located in Bolton, MA, and if anyone wants to take the
time to look at it I could try to make arrangements. I will see what I
can do, I have not pursued this lately and perhaps I can learn more than
I could previously.
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 13:43:31 EST
From: VIPERTV@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: "DE LOREAN: Gold Portfolio" book, and Houston, TX!
Hello Fellow DML'ers,
I've been on the list since August 1998. Anyway, I went to a
local Casino's Auto Collection, where I found a book about the
DeLorean, titled "DE LOREAN: Gold Portfolio." It traces the
DeLorean from 1977 to 1995. It is published by Brookland Books,
and is compiled by R. M. Clarke. It includes: Road and Track
Tests, Model Introductions, Driving Impressions, Comparisons,
History, Factory Visit, Performance & Technical Data, Specifications,
and Long Term Reports. I got the book as a gift for Christmas. It
cost $24.95, and has 174 pages. I'm not finished reading the book,
actually, I haven't started! :-) I was just browsing through it, when I
saw
a picture of a 4-Door DeLorean! I even saw a picture of Joe LoRe of
DeLorean Services, looked like it was from the 70's or 80's! A picture
of the cover of this book is located at:
http://members.aol.com/vipertv/delorean_book.jpg
I noticed that this book wasn't at amazon.com! My question is:
Does anyone else on the list have this book, and if so, did you like it?
This March, I'm going to Houston, Texas. I was wondering if there
were any DeLorean related attractions in, or near the city? Since the
DMC factory building was here.
See ya...
Steven Lawrence
~VIPERTV@xxxxxxx
Steven Lawrence's DeLorean Webpage (Under Construction)
~http://members.aol.com/vipertv/delorean.html
VIN# Uh..... Not yet! :-)
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 13:17:12 PST
From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean VIN 00557
In response to Claude, there is also a DeLorean for sale in the Western
part of Norway (!) at $30,000 with the VIN 00557 !!!
The Service Bulletins mentions only 1981 cars from 560 to 7199.
What should one look out for regarding these cars? Are they not as safe
as a "real production" DeLorean? Or is it the opposite? If the cars were
testcars and showcars, maybe DMC mechanics paid extra attention
regarding operation and quality?
Sincerely;
Mr. Stian Birkeland
NORWAY
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 19:28:16 -0500
From: Michael Pack <mpack1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: VIN 500-614
Hello
When we went to John DeLoreans office at the Belfast Factory, May 1997 we
found a pile of telexs that were related to these early cars. The most
interesting telex that we found was for the Island Legend industry TWIN
and SINGLE TURBO CARS. Rob Grady has a Twin Turbo car Vin 5?? and he had
a customers Legend SINGLE Turbo Vin 52?.
As you know the July 1977 Car and Driver magazine has an article about the
PRV V-6. The DeLorean is on the cover. The name of the article is
FIREBALL V-6. The Twin Turbo DMC Vin 502 raced a Ferrari, a 928, and a
high
preformance Corvette. The DeLorean Twin Turbo Killed these cars at
Bridgehampton in 1981.
The DMC Twin Turbo was supposed to be the 1984 DMC. Ever wonder why
there is no 1983 Chevrolet Corvette? Why did GM "re-design" the Corvette
for 1984? Compare the WARRANTY and the PERFORMANCE DATA between the "1984
Vette" and DMC #502. Twin Turbo 1984 DMC had a five year 50,000 mile
warranty, who cares what the "Vette" had.
"That's the idea to build a better mouse trap...but not if your
the mouse" Jeff Bridge in Tucker: Man and His Dream.
Have a Happy Christmas/ Chaunakah/ etc. etc. Hope you received many
Delorean Goodies. I got the New Video "Car and The Factory" from my
Girlfriend Laura.
Sincerely
Michael Pack
P.S.
Thank you to Bruce, Dave, and DMC Joe for all of your help with my
DeLorean.
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 19:58:20 EST
From: Jethead86@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: DML : need translation
dear all dml members,
I recently aquired a old aoshima BTTF #2
Model kit
as a christmas gift and I noticed that all the print was in
Japanese
(except a few words.)
I was wondering if by any chance that any DML member had done the same
model
kit and experienced the same problem. If so , please contact me with the
list
of paints that should be used. I would greatly appreciate the assistance.
with best holiday wishes , Jethead86
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:25:22 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Another Weird Electrical thing..
It is still just the 2 of us that have noticed this same behavior..
Anyone else??
My car is a Nov 81... Maybe this "feature" is just on a short run of
cars?
I do not have fanzilla, and I dont see how this would effect it at all.
Travis Graham wrote:
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> This event happened to me just the other day! I thought of this posting
> immediately!
>
> Here's another twist to this tale: I have a 5-speed and ALWAYS have one
> foot on the brake and the other pushing on the clutch when I turn off the
> car. I also have the fans on level four 80% of the time I drive my car.
> The fans very rarely stay on when I turn off the car. But, when they did
> the other day, I noticed that I did something different. The fans were on a
> low setting (they could have been off?? I cannot remember). Right before I
> turned off the car, I cranked the fans up to setting four. What do you
> know? They stayed on!
>
> Just a thought: do you have a Fanzilla unit? I did not. I just got one and
> am planning on its installation ASAP. I wonder if that will change
> anything? I'll try to duplicate the problem before I attach the Fanzilla...
>
> Merry Christmas!
> Travis Graham
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:37:18 -0500
From: Joe Palatinus <jpalatinus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: High RPM at Idle
When my Delorean is in neutral or park the RPMs go from 750 to about 1100
on the dial, and you can hear the engine reving vroom... vroom... vroom.
so
it seems like the idle RPMs are actually changing. When I put it in drive
it continues to do this until I give it a steady stream of gas, at which
point it seems to run completely normal. I did not think anything of it
until I read theses posts. Why does it do this?
Thanks
Joe P.
VIN 6808
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 98 10:36:12 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: VIN's between 520 and 614? Anyone, anyone?
On 12/25/98 3:52 PM, David Toscano shared these fine thoughts...
>A "friend of a friend," named Bloomfield or Broomfield, claims to own
>"the second completed DeLorean." I have seen the car but only when
>driving through the gentleman's parking lot (it is kept at his business),
>it is an early '81 w/gas filler flap and is/was registered in MA. I
>could get the reg. number from one of my photos if someone could run it
>through the DMV we could finally know the VIN. I believe the owner had
>some relation to DMC (the company) itself and he is very reluctant to
>discuss it. His sons are my age (early-mid 20s) and one of them has even
>allowed a friend of mine to drive the car. It is an automatic, interior
>color unknown. I told Knut Grimsrud about this a few months back,
>unfortunately neither him nor myself has time to explore this much. The
>car is usually located in Bolton, MA, and if anyone wants to take the
>time to look at it I could try to make arrangements. I will see what I
>can do, I have not pursued this lately and perhaps I can learn more than
>I could previously.
There was a "George Broomfield" who worked for DMCL as the Director of
Manufacturing. he was a former GM executive before he worked at DMCL,
there is a photo of him on p81 of SSI. You hsould be abel to see the VIN
through the windshield on the dash (unless it's got a dashmat.
It would be intersting to know more, particularly if this is George
Broomfield.
James Espey
#10570
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 98 10:40:44 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: "DE LOREAN: Gold Portfolio" book, and Houston, TX!
On 12/25/98 6:42 PM, VIPERTV@xxxxxxx shared these fine thoughts...
>I noticed that this book wasn't at amazon.com! My question is:
>Does anyone else on the list have this book, and if so, did you like it?
>
> This March, I'm going to Houston, Texas. I was wondering if there
>were any DeLorean related attractions in, or near the city? Since the
>DMC factory building was here.
The book is also available from Classic Motorbooks in Wisconsin. The info
is in the back issues.
The DMC factory building is near Belfast, Northern Ireland. The company
in Houston has no legal relation to the original DeLorean Motor Company.
James Espey
#10570
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:55:26 -0500
From: "yugoman" <mdrig@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: looking for items
I also need the glovebox literature if anyone has another set.
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:29:50 -0500
From: "J" <sundiver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Drive Shaft (CV Joint problem) (HELP!!)
- -----Original Message-----
From: JOHN_GEULEY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<JOHN_GEULEY@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 12:12 PM
Subject: DML: Drive Shaft (CV Joint problem) (HELP!!)
> Hi All,
>
> My Delorean currently has a back right hand CV joint which =20
> now makes a severe amount of noise !!!
>
> I have gone to Renault and they will only sell a complete =20
> Drive Shaft.
> (=A3500 or $800)
>
> They also suggested that the drive shaft is off of a Renault Alpine=
> ???
>
> Can someone let me know WHAT drive shaft is on the Delorean ??
>
> Also IF they have a supplier which can supply a CV joint separately=
> ??
>
I got a replacement CV joint from P. J. Grady. I don't remember how much
it
cost, but I was impressed with the kit. It came with the CV joint, new end
caps,
tubes filled with the correct grease in the correct amount, and detailed
instructions with color photographs.
- - J
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:42:22 +0000
From: ausmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Comment.
Hi,
The following is the last paragraph of a brief bio. I wrote for the
newsletter Knut Grimsrud writes for us.
"A note to James Espy and Knut Grimsrud. Thank you for the DML. Those
of you that didn't own a DeLorean prior to the existance of this
resource have no idea what a value it is. People may get the wrong
idea about the reliability of these cars because of the nature of the
questions presented. I think there should be more good stories and
comments by those of us that have very few problems and just work on
our cars for the love of it."
Christopher Shepherd
#6301
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:50:17 PST
From: "Erik Geerdink" <delorean502@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: last DMC produced
wasnt the last one plated in gold? if so, then its either in a texas
bank,
or somewhere in maryland, so i've heard.
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:33:09 -0800
From: "Dave Price" <davep2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: High RPM at Idle
>When my Delorean is in neutral or park the RPMs go from 750 to about 1100
>on the dial, and you can hear the engine reving vroom... vroom... vroom.
>so
>it seems like the idle RPMs are actually changing. When I put it in drive
>it continues to do this until I give it a steady stream of gas, at which
This is the "Warm up" cycle. When your engine reaches optimal running
temp
(~160) it should stop. It is engaged by the "no throttle" switch (when
you
aren't pressing the gas pedal).
Take care!
- - Dave
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:04:26 EST
From: CBL302@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: VIN 500-648
In response to Michaels DML ,to the Island turbo's,there are two very good
articles in the May 17,1982 and November 1,1982 Auto Week,talking in
detail
about the twin turbos,and some good pics.
Claude
#000570
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:49:30 EST
From: CBL302@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: "DE LOREAN: Gold Portfolio" book, and Houston, TX!
Steve,It might be worth your while to go to Snyder,Texas at the Snyder
National Bank,there you will find a 24K Delorean(gold plated),you can go
to
HTTP://WWW.bigtexas.com/dmc/ to see pics and a good story about the 24K
car,and JZD,also I have the book you are talking about,except mine is
Called
THE
DELOREAN 1977-1993,and it only has 100 pages,your must be the updated
version
of my book.
Claude
000570
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:01:18 PST
From: "Adam Michael" <amichael10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: "DE LOREAN: Gold Portfolio"
I also recieved the book for Christmas, but unfortunately, since it was
a gift they wouldn't tell me where they got it. The four door DeLorean
you saw was actually a car Ital Design was working on that was very
similar to the one DeLorean wanted to build. It is a very interesting
book, I can hardly put the thing down! I think you'll like it. But I do
have one question for everybody. How come all of the review articles of
the car have different 0-60 times? I noticed Car & Driver had the lowest
time of 8.5 seconds, but some other articles had it listed as high as
10.5, and I even saw an 11.5 in there! One note, all of the DeLoreans
used in the reviews were 5-speeds, so the transmission isn't the cause
of the differences. Happy holidays!
Adam Michael, VIN#1428
The DeLorean Corner: http://members.tripod.com/~DeLoreanDMC/index.html
>From: VIPERTV@xxxxxxx
>Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 13:43:31 EST
>To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: DML: "DE LOREAN: Gold Portfolio" book, and Houston, TX!
>Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>Hello Fellow DML'ers,
>
> I've been on the list since August 1998. Anyway, I went to a
>local Casino's Auto Collection, where I found a book about the
>DeLorean, titled "DE LOREAN: Gold Portfolio." It traces the
>DeLorean from 1977 to 1995. It is published by Brookland Books,
>and is compiled by R. M. Clarke. It includes: Road and Track
>Tests, Model Introductions, Driving Impressions, Comparisons,
>History, Factory Visit, Performance & Technical Data, Specifications,
>and Long Term Reports. I got the book as a gift for Christmas. It
>cost $24.95, and has 174 pages. I'm not finished reading the book,
>actually, I haven't started! :-) I was just browsing through it, when
I
>saw
>a picture of a 4-Door DeLorean! I even saw a picture of Joe LoRe of
>DeLorean Services, looked like it was from the 70's or 80's! A picture
>of the cover of this book is located at:
>
>http://members.aol.com/vipertv/delorean_book.jpg
>
>I noticed that this book wasn't at amazon.com! My question is:
>Does anyone else on the list have this book, and if so, did you like
it?
>
> This March, I'm going to Houston, Texas. I was wondering if there
>were any DeLorean related attractions in, or near the city? Since the
>DMC factory building was here.
>
>See ya...
>
>Steven Lawrence
>~VIPERTV@xxxxxxx
>Steven Lawrence's DeLorean Webpage (Under Construction)
>~http://members.aol.com/vipertv/delorean.html
>VIN# Uh..... Not yet! :-)
>
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:14:18 EST
From: Iznodmad@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: New Owner
Greetings DML! On December 23, 1998, I purchased a DeLorean! It's an
October
1981 build, VIN #05000. It is a 5-speed, grey interior, and it has the
wide
black "dealer optional" stripe. My thanks to Bob Miller for talking with
me
about the car. He had viewed it at a car show 2-3 weeks ago. I live in
Winston-Salem, NC, and I would like to get it contact with other D owners
in
the area. I am hoping to have DMC Joe come by on his house-call trip and
service my new car. I noticed in one of his posts that he was coming by
Winston-Salem to help another list owner, if so could you contact me
please?
I am so excited about being a new owner and looking forward to sharing my
experiences with the DML!
Thanks,
Darren Decker
VIN 5000
Iznodmad@xxxxxxx
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:59:34 EST
From: RFHawk@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Re: 1981DMC 12 FOR SALE
I HAVE A I981 DELOREAN FOR SALE ! PREMO CONDION 4300 MI VIN #5063 SHOWROOM
CONDITION. CAL CAR. FOR PICT'S & MORE INFO RFHAWK@xxxxxxx
R. FORNEY
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:47:19 EST
From: Elgocho@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: "DE LOREAN: Gold Portfolio"
Do any of you who happen to own this book think that you might be able to
post
the picture of the 4 door De you speak about? Thank you.
Bosch<===
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:52:39 PST
From: "Marc Barth" <d16y8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: motor swap question
Has anybody on this list done or attempted a motor swap on a Delorean?
Does anybody know if the V-6 from the Acura NSX would fit? Obviously
there would have to be custom mounting brackets etc. . but does anybody
know if it would work? A 290 hp Delorean sounds pretty good to me.
Thanks in advance.
Marc
d16y8@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:55:21 PST
From: "Marc Barth" <d16y8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: High RPM at Idle
If this happens only when you first start up the car you are right.
However if this occurs after the car is warmed up it could indicate a
bad O2 sensor.
>From: "Dave Price" <davep2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: DML: Re: High RPM at Idle
>Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:33:09 -0800
>Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>>When my Delorean is in neutral or park the RPMs go from 750 to about
1100
>>on the dial, and you can hear the engine reving vroom... vroom...
vroom.
>>so
>>it seems like the idle RPMs are actually changing. When I put it in
drive
>>it continues to do this until I give it a steady stream of gas, at
which
>
>
>This is the "Warm up" cycle. When your engine reaches optimal running
>temp
>(~160) it should stop. It is engaged by the "no throttle" switch (when
>you
>aren't pressing the gas pedal).
>
>Take care!
>
>- Dave
>
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:30:10 PST
From: "Marc Barth" <d16y8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: ISBN for "Gold Portfolio"
Adam,
Thaks for the info on the new book. However I just came back from the
bookstore and they were unable to locate it in the computer. I told
them the title and publisher but they couldn't find it. Can you send me
the ISBN number on the back of the book. It's the number located just
below the bar code. If you're confused as to which one to give me just
e-mail me both of them . Thanks for all the help. My e-mail address is
d16y8@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
>I also recieved the book for Christmas, but unfortunately, since it was
>a gift they wouldn't tell me where they got it. The four door DeLorean
>you saw was actually a car Ital Design was working on that was very
>similar to the one DeLorean wanted to build. It is a very interesting
>book, I can hardly put the thing down! I think you'll like it. But I do
>have one question for everybody. How come all of the review articles of
>the car have different 0-60 times? I noticed Car & Driver had the lowest
>time of 8.5 seconds, but some other articles had it listed as high as
>10.5, and I even saw an 11.5 in there! One note, all of the DeLoreans
>used in the reviews were 5-speeds, so the transmission isn't the cause
>of the differences. Happy holidays!
>
> Adam Michael, VIN#1428
>The DeLorean Corner: http://members.tripod.com/~DeLoreanDMC/index.html
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:53:43 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: 0-60 times, limos
On Sat, 26 Dec 1998, Adam Michael wrote:
> a gift they wouldn't tell me where they got it. The four door DeLorean
> you saw was actually a car Ital Design was working on that was very
> similar to the one DeLorean wanted to build. It is a very interesting
The idea behind the 4-door DeLorean was that it would use most of the same
components as the 2-door, thereby being cheap to build and engineer. JZD
knew that the 2-door sports car would not generate enough profit by
itself, and a 4-door car was necessary for long-term viability of the
company. Had the 4-door come first, the company might have been more
successful, mused Fluffy. The powertrain was supposed to be the same, and
most of the door components. I don't know what was supposed to be done
about the lack of storage space. I guess a re-designed front end (taller,
store the spare tire vertically next to the fuel tank) might have provided
reasonable storage space. I think the sedan was supposed to be rear
engine too, to simplify production, but I am not sure about that.
> book, I can hardly put the thing down! I think you'll like it. But I do
> have one question for everybody. How come all of the review articles of
> the car have different 0-60 times? I noticed Car & Driver had the lowest
> time of 8.5 seconds, but some other articles had it listed as high as
> 10.5, and I even saw an 11.5 in there! One note, all of the DeLoreans
I think that it might have something to do with the driving style. The
PRV has an odd power curve and the DeLorean has rather taller gearing than
many sports cars. A driver not knowing the car well could easily fumble
the 0-60 performance.
The C&D review that quotes 8.5 seconds is actually an estimate. The Road
& Track which says 10.5 is based on actual figures. But someone on the
list e-mailed me a while ago (I still have the mail, I think) claiming
that he had tested it himself and gotten 8.6 seconds. I don't know of any
11.5 reviews, but would love to check them out. (I spend a couple hours
at the library recently digging up all the old reviews...)
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:43:25 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Sort of a Holiday Downer
On Thu, 24 Dec 1998, James DeBroeck wrote:
> Sadly, it was on this day, Dec 24, 1982, that the last DMC-12 ever =
> produced, VIN# 20104, rolled off the Dunmurry assembly line. On a =
> lighter note, does anyone know where this car is? Does someone on the =
> list own it?
Wouldn't this have been the third gold-plated DeLorean which is now in
(I think) Maryland? I'm pretty sure no one on the list owns that one.
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:42:21 -0800 (PST)
From: DMC_12@xxxxxxxxx (Justin Friel)
Subject: DML: "Gold Portfolio"
I received this DeLorean book as a gift and some other DMC items too. I
opened the book and didn't close it for about 2 straight hours. i like
the book very much and once i started reading, it was real hard too put
it down. I also got a plate cover reading "I'd Rather Be Driving My
DeLorean" and a DMC Poster which is getting framed at the moment so i
haven't seen it yet. i am glad some other DML'ers had gottin' the book
also
jay
VIN # (gimme a couple of years)
Visit my page for information on the DeLorean, the most "ethical" sports
car:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/jfriel
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:39:10 -0600
From: "Steve" <SteveDMC@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Last 24k gold D
The last D was 24k gold plated. I don't believe the last one is in =
Texas
due to the fact that the TX car was bought from the Visa Gold =
promotional.
There were only 2 that sold from the promotional and one was bought from =
the
bank.
The 3rd D (the last one built) wasn't part of the promotional, just a
special car. Does anyone know if the 3rd gold D had the brown leather =
or
was it just another car built out of regular D parts? I heard that they
built it using the spare parts intended for the 2 gold D's. If so then =
the
last D would have the brown leather, right?
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 03:22:02 EST
From: CBL302@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Hardcastle&MCcormick Delorean
If anybody is interested the Delorean used in the series Hardcastle and
MCcormick
is for sale,for a bargain price of $99,000.00,to view the ad go to
Http://www.snap.com
then click Classified,then click on Automotive,then click on Cars,then
click
on
Delorean,then click on Delorean Coyote.
Claude
000570
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 07:32:48 -0700
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: DML: Re: Drive Shaft (CV Joint problem) (HELP!!)
I'm not picking on anyone, but, when you say that you can not find a part
for your DeLorean, I always wonder if you have checked with the DeLorean
Suppliers such as DeLorean Motor Company ( there parts search engine is
great) or PJ Grady's. If you look on the various web pages, you can
always
find one of the parts/service companies listed. Most of these parts are
competively priced and the knowledge that the suppliers have is so
valuable.
I have found them to be very helpful in troubleshooting the problem so
that
I buy the correct parts.
I'm not saying that you should not shop around, I think that shopping
helps
keep the pricing in line. I spent al day yesterday shopping for a
television. The time I spend shopping is proportionate to the amount of
money I am spending.
My $0.02 worth.
Scott Mueller
Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 9:03 AM
Subject: DML: Drive Shaft (CV Joint problem) (HELP!!)
> I have gone to Renault and they will only sell a complete =20
> Drive Shaft.
> (=A3500 or $800)
> I spoke to my mechanic and he says there is no problem to fit the C=
>V
> joint if we could only buy one.
>
>
> Regards
>
> John G.
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:06:35 +0000
From: "Ian T. A. Foster" <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: List of VIN's
Hallo all,
Can anyone remind me where I once saw a list of Vin#s on the Internet
giving info on each car, ie. what month produced, manual/auto,
black/grey interior, left/right hand drive, and even the owners name.
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:02:06 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: New Owner
Darren,
Please contact us directly with your request for items you would like to
be
checked or serviced. We have added your name to our list of possible stops
during our House Call trip.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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private email and not the list.]
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:38:19 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Newbie...Looking for repair manual
You will find it difficult to find used copies of these manuals. Her are
the prices for new manuals from PJ Grady. Parts Manual $42
Workshop Manual $48
Factory Bulletins $32
All three are available as a set for $115
These are very reasonable prices. Most factory manuals for newer cars are
$125 and up.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 19:45:03 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: I need the top cover for the engine cover
Ron,
You are referring to part number 100594 LOUVER. Check with any of the
DeLorean parts suppliers for pricing and availability. If you need
additional information contact us directly.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 09:54:46 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: looking for items
Gerald,
Many of the items you listed should be available from many of the DeLorean
part suppliers with several of those parts at affordable prices. You can
purchase an owners manual from PJ Grady ask for P2105011 OWNERS HANDBOOK $
18.95.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Happy Holiday's / dmcjoe@xxxxxxx
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:24:41 -0600
From: Jim Reeve --Ultra-- <ultra@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: 4-Door "D" and ISBN#
> Do any of you who happen to own this book think that you might be >able to
post the picture of the 4 door De you speak about? Thank you.
>
I have scanned the picture and posted it at...
http://www.isd.net/jreeve/delorean/pics/4doordmc.jpg
Unfortunately, every picture in the book is B&W. (Except the front and
back cover).
> Can you send me
>the ISBN number on the back of the book. It's the number located just
>below the bar code.
As for the ISBN number, it has...
"ISBN 1-85520-331-6" on top of the bar code,
And "9 781855 203310" below the bar code.
I got the book at National Automobile Museum in Reno, NV when I went to
see the gold DeLorean there. I'm sure if you go to a car museum that
has books you will find it there. Every car museum I've been at has had
it. It cost me $25.00.
- --
Jim Reeve <Ultra>
http://www.isd.net/jpatrick/
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AIM-Ultra2169
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:35:30 -0600
From: Jim Reeve --Ultra-- <ultra@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Last 24k gold D
Your right on both you counts. The first two gold "D's" sold through
american express are at the Texas bank and National Car Museum in Reno,
NV. I have seen the one in Reno and it is absolutely spectacular. That
one there has the brown interior. And I have seen pictures of the one
in Maryland, it also has the brown interior. But from what I could tell
from the "Official" Texas Gold DeLorean website, that one has a Black
interior. Can anyone who has seen that car confirm this?
The "Official" website I'm talking about is at...
http://www.bigtexas.com/dmc/
If you wish to see my picutes of the one in Reno, I have 16 pictures I
took of it on my Website.
http://www.isd.net/jpatrick/
Steve wrote:
>
> The last D was 24k gold plated. I don't believe the last one is in =
> Texas
> due to the fact that the TX car was bought from the Visa Gold =
> promotional.
> There were only 2 that sold from the promotional and one was bought from =
> the
> bank.
> The 3rd D (the last one built) wasn't part of the promotional, just a
> special car. Does anyone know if the 3rd gold D had the brown leather =
> or
> was it just another car built out of regular D parts? I heard that they
> built it using the spare parts intended for the 2 gold D's. If so then =
> the
> last D would have the brown leather, right?
- --
Jim Reeve <Ultra>
http://www.isd.net/jpatrick/
ICQ-301911
AIM-Ultra2169
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