dmcnews-digest Tuesday, October 27 1998 Volume 03 : Number 434
In this issue:
Re: DML: how do you remove the center a/c vents
Re: DML: DeLorean Models
DML: Re: delorean viable?
DML: Painting My D, and Engine Compat...
Re: DML: how do you remove the center a/c vents
Re: DML: Delorean Models
DML: Maine Service
DML: Dave's Trans pt1
DML: "floating" sensation when the car gets to going about 30
DML: DeLorean Kit-Car?
DML: METAL COOLANT TANK
Re: DML: DML Productions!
DML: re: DeLorean Viable? + Repair Survey Data
DML: re: DML Productions!
DML: re: Car History
DML: Delorean body repair
DML: Many Questions
DML: DML Productions! As we step into the unknown...
Re: DML: Maine Service
DML: Online insurance quotes
DML: A sad day in history!
DML: speedometer
DML: wiring nightmare
DML: Stainless Care
Re: DML: Many Questions
[none]
DML: Third gear or lack of it
DML: brake rotor drilling?
Re: DML: brake rotor drilling?
DML: Re: Dave's Trans pt1
DML: Re: "floating" sensation
DML: Re: DeLorean Kit-Car?
DML: Re: Painting My D, and Engine Compat...
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 08:21:08 -0500
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: how do you remove the center a/c vents
Rob Grady showed us how to do this in Ohio this summer. I think it may
be in the archives, but here goes anyway.
To remove:
With a small screw driver, gently pry down on the 4 tabs that hold the
entire assembly in the dashboard. The tabs are pretty obvious if you
look in the corners.
To replace:
On both ends of the assembly, you will see a round hole with a tab.
Gently push the tab in, and remove the flow adjuster wheel. After the
wheel is out, you can then remove the vent (the part that moves) by
sticking the screwdriver in the side hole again. As you pull the vent
out of the frame, be careful not to loose the small plastic "T" that is
on one side of each vent. (Anyone have a extra? I am missing one of
those "T"'s) Do this for both the left and right vent so all you are
left with is the frame.
Push the frame back in to the dashboard, and work the rubber hoses in to
place through the frame.
After the hoses are in place, pop the vents and the wheels back in.
Larry Shulan wrote:
>
> I need to pull out my radio (in the hopes I can have a broken off shaft =
> replaced) and know you can remove it thru the vent opening but have not =
> been able to get the vents out - do they just pop out and are there any =
> tricks to it? Also, was reading in the archives about how hard it was =
> to hook up the hoses to the vent (they must be attached correctly now as =
> the vents work fine). Any hints on this too? tks Larry #1409
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:46:59 -0500
From: deloreans1@xxxxxxxx (K L Maxwell)
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Models
I was just signed up into this news letter by a friend of mine and i am
very happy with it. We are both 15 and we love the DeLorean so much, but
what i really wanted to write was something different.
I have been looking all around for a model DeLorean. I collect model cars
and right now i have an estimate of around 140 models and i want to
complete my collection with the DeLorean so that i can start in on the
Full sized cars. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge of a Model
DeLorean.
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:14:00 PST
From: "Ed Raffenetti" <eddie5150@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: delorean viable?
I am 18, and I would really like to own a DeLorean. While I don't have
the funds right now, it wouldn't be tangible anyway. I am a college
freshmen, and I would expect everyone to want a ride in the BTTF car. My
D would also sit outside in a parking lot for many months, including
winter. Insurance and repairs would put a sizable dent in my budget.
I would advise any teen not to buy a DeLorean. My worst fear is that a
teen will overuse, abuse, and/or possible wreck a D. I plan on investing
in a D about ten years from now, when I have settled down a little. By
then I should have a garage for it, and the extra money to restore it.
In my opinion, if you really love this car, it's worth waiting for.
>Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:05:00 -0400
>From: Donald - SA Intern <saintern@xxxxxxxx>
>Subject: DML: delorean viable?
>
>Hello all, hopefully i can get a few straight answers
>on this, i am now 17 and shopping for my first car.
>I have the money for a delorean and am seriously looking
>at a $13k car w 80k that was a restoration by PJ Grady
>and is mechanically great.
<SNIP>
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:07:10 -0800
From: x2600@xxxxxxxx (a;sdij asd asd)
Subject: DML: Painting My D, and Engine Compat...
Where Can i get my D Painted?? i live in Fairfeild County CT.
Also, Will a volvo Engine work with a delorean... my dad tells me that
alot of the parts are somewhat the same...
i also wish to improve the saftey of my De Lorean i saw that
some one had something on airbags a while back, and the last thing...
when or where can i get the crash test video?
-Kris
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 16:07:36 PST
From: "De Miller" <demillerkansas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: how do you remove the center a/c vents
Hey Marc:
I too was missing the little "t"(I call it a Plus "+"). I think it
popped out and was lost before I even knew it was needed. I actually
didn't even notice it until I was ready to put the vents back in.
Luckily my wife was in the middle of a tile project in our basement and
I started looking at the little plastic plus things she was using as
spacers between the tiles ($1.59 for a bag of 200 at Home Depot) and
noticed that they were almost the exact size of the little + I needed
for the vent. I took one up to my workshop, carved on it a little with
my x-acto knife and ...whatauknow? It fit! These little things are
plastic and thus, pliable. If you trim it at an angle, it will give the
proper flexibility like the original. In looking thru the parts manual
and they aren't sold separately and I couldn't see spending the price of
a whole vent assembly for that one little piece. Worked for me! Hope it
does for you.
Take care!
De Miller, Kansas City
VIN # 3427 Lic. OUTATYM
>SNIP
Marc Levy wrote in his reply:
>be careful not to loose the small plastic "T" that is
>on one side of each vent. (Anyone have a extra? I am missing one of
>those "T"'s) Do this for both the left and right vent so all you are
>left with is the frame.
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:06:34 -0800
From: bpayne@xxxxxxxxxx (Brandon J. Payne)
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean Models
I also have an Autosculpt DeLorean. And I'm very happy with it. Mine's
only about 4 cm long and cost $11. I had no idea they made bigger sizes.
Is there a web site that you can browse their models?
Thanks!
bpayne@xxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:29:46 -0500
From: "Watkins Family watbmv@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <watbmv@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Maine Service
I'm in need of new Tie rod ends and rack boots to be installed. I live in
Maine and the choices of service are "gee, never seen one of these" to
"yeah, it's just a car".......Does anyone know of a place in New England
that is closer to Maine than Rob Grady. I plan on hauling my car to him
in
the early spring for a yearly tweak and some cosmetics but I have to
believe that this kind of work can't be that specialized.....can it???
I knew that a Delorean in Maine was going to be a problem, so any help
would be appreciated
Tom Watkins
#5732
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 98 21:39:17 -0600
From: David Swingle <dswingle@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Dave's Trans pt1
Now that it's officially the end of summer in Illinois (because my
insurance is off for the winter) it's Delorean Repair Season again. This
winter's project is in the area of the transmission, the specific goals
being to fix whatever is causing 3rd gear to crunch (hopefully just a
bent roll pin), replace the clutch, and replace the rear main seal, and
whatever else I run across during the project. I also need to clean up
the frame where apparently the clutch slave leaked and loosened the
epoxy.
I'm going to write up my progress here, so feel free to follow along and
answer whatever you can. This is being done in my garage with the car on
jackstands, and I'm not planning to remove the engine, so this is
probably about the working conditions of the average list-reader. I have
pulled transmissions out of conventional (Chevys/Fords) many years ago,
but not anything this wierd. I generally only work on the car on the
weekends so postings may be every week or two.
Tonight's project was removing the transmission. The manual is pretty
accurate, although as usual drastically understates the complexities.
Removing axles and starter was pretty trivial. A bigger challenge was
removing the shift linkage cable bracket - double-jointed six-inch
fingers would be a great help here. The lower flywheel cover was no big
deal, someone else had already not bothered to re-install 3 of the 4
screws that hold it on. The nasty part is removing the bracket that
mounts the timing pickup. The timing pickup bracket screws are reached
with a couple of long extensions over and under the catalytic converter.
I have absolutely NO IDEA about how I will get these two screws started
back in - you can't see them from any angle - any ideas here?
After removing the (only) 4 screws that hold the trans to the engine, a
couple of good yanks and it was out. Boy this sucker's heavy. Getting it
back in will be a trick. Time so far - about 4 hours including a dinner
break.
Initial observations - Looks like original clutch and slave cylinder -
the slave is not leaking but is a little wet inside the boot and rusty
enough to be original. Maybe the epoxy damage is just from when they
replaced the line and bled the system. I'll add it to the list. Next
phase will be to degrease the transmission and drag it into the basement
to crack it open and see what's inside. I'll also pull the flywheel to
send it out for resurfacing, and scope the rear-main seal task. Any
advice here would be nice too.
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:57:26 PST
From: "De Miller" <demillerkansas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: "floating" sensation when the car gets to going about 30
Hello everyone:
I just got my D back out of the shop (2nd time since I bought it a
couple months ago) and it's finally running fine. Of course, it should
since we did the Lockzilla, Tankzilla, Fanzilla, heavy duty PJ Grady
window motors (and the door solenoids since we had the doors apart),
window switches, retractable antenna, new radio, new 100 amp alternator,
new fuel accumulator, new shocks and misc stuff like hood release,
coolant bottle etc. My mechanic, who I believe to be the best Delorean
mechanic in these parts (the only factory trained Delorean mechanic in
Kansas City, I believe) thinks I am crazy when I tell him I am
experiencing a "floating" sensation when the car gets to going about 30
mph or so on a straight stretch of smooth roadway. I wouldn't say it is
a rocking sensation or a bumping, like bad shocks or springs. What it
really feels like is just after hitting bottom on a log flume ride at an
amusement park?! You know, where you start floating a little from side
to side in the water...before you start the curves...I know, you all
think I'm crazy now, but that is the sensation I get. Anyone else got
this? Any ideas what it might be so I can get him to stop looking at me
funny when I describe it? Thanks to all.
De Miller, Kansas City
VIN # 3427 Lic. OUTATYM
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 02:04:49 +0000
From: Albert Siegel <siegel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Kit-Car?
Does anyone know if there ever was a DeLorean Kit Car?
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 00:41:50 -0700
From: mike atkinson <mikeatk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: METAL COOLANT TANK
I am in need of a metal coolant return tank, still have the plastic
one. If anyone has one they're willing to part with would you mind
contacting me.
Thanks
Mike
mikeatk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 04:50:25 -0800
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: DML Productions!
At 07:25 PM 10/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
>lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>> Stainless Horizon
>Lee, Count me in. What do yo think we could sell this "production" for.
>
>My wife always wants to know what the bottom line is before she will
>allow me to invest in anything.
Hi Scott,
First I am volunteering James Espey for the project! after all the DML is
his and if we assume a production source from with in the DML, calling it
DML Productions.......He is the logical choice.
Next about selling the production. The selling price depends on what the
nature of the production, for instance it could be documentary like, being
hosted using 100% news and PR clips. Or it could be a theatrical treatment
with actors. Or a combination of the two. The production's theme would
also
play a large part in what market you would sell into first and what the
secondary and residual markets would be. TV, Theater, foreign.......
There is no typical price for any TV or Film venture, so I can't really
answer your question because at this point there is no substance to the
production idea, what I can do is give you an example projects I do know
about.
I worked on a really nutty semi-docudrama in which the budget was $47.6K,
this included sets, overhead fees, talent, second unit photography, SFX
and
rights buy-outs. It Aired once in a local NBC affiliate and went National
Once with a one page TV-Guide Pro-mo (paid by NBC) and Later was Aired
once
or twice in some local markets with a 34 share. As I recall the revenues
were something like $3.2Mil. Now that is all revenues not what the
producer
got or any individual received and there was no production investor as
such. Because it was an affiliate generated project I think that most
revenues went to the NBC the Broadcaster.
So in deciding investment value quite a bit has to happen before any
evaluation can be made as to potential invested dollar return. Another
issue is what are you looking for? My thought was something like _ How
much
would I be willing to pay for a 60 to 90 minute tape of the DeLorean
story?
I would shell out $100 if it were well made and accurate. So if you
thought
of the project along these lines, the investment is returned when the tape
shows up in the mail, any actual dollar return is just candy. If the DML
were making it and members and member resources were used where ever
possible, It is very likely that you would get a tape and be informed on
the project progress as well.
If you are looking at something more traditional, you might think about
how many copies of a speciality tape costing $49.95 could you sell of a
"DeLorean" tape not counting any public or cable TV viewings. One
speciality tape on Scuba Lobster Catching that I purchased for $39.95 sold
over 100,000 copies. Now I would never guessed that something that narrow
would sell more than a few dozen copies? So you can see there is a lot to
consider and a lot of work to be done in project marketing. That can all
happen when the time comes. There is really no way of predicting what a
return could be and absolutely no way to guarantee a return.
Lee
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:01:16 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: re: DeLorean Viable? + Repair Survey Data
17 year old Donald Kazmark said:
> . . . should a person in my situation buy it or go for a more
> conserative car like a honda ...ect. I know many of you will
>1 say that the car is so unique and is worth the $, and believe
> me...i'm a huge delorean fan...PJ Grady is only a 10 min
> ride from my house...but paying $4500 a year in collision
> insurance kinda takes the coolness away from owning the car . . .
Donald, when you are a teenager no matter what you do car insurance
always stinks! Find out how much it would be to insure a Honda. I am
sure it will be less, but still a disgusting figure. You can often save
money by having another, cheaper car (maybe with "liability only"
coverage) listed as your primary vehicle.
I suggest you work out a budget. If you can afford all your expenses,
from insurance to repairs to college tuition, then you can afford a
DeLorean. You will spend money maintaining your DeLorean, but it won't
be an infinite amount.
How much should you budget? The CarTalk websight has been
collecting survey data on all sorts of cars for years now. A lot of
DMLers have responded. You can view their data at:
http://cartalk.cars.com/Survey/Results/Repair-Costs/index.html
According to their repair cost data (look up "1981 DeLorean"):
http://cartalk.cars.com/Tools/survey-results-rc-top-bot.pl
DeLoreans need an average of about $200 per year in repairs. That's
not so bad. They have two lists, the top ten most expensive cars to
repair and the top ten least expensive cars to repair. Interestingly, the
81
DeLorean makes both lists! (The 82 and 83 DeLoreans have very small
samples, but if you look up the 83 you might be pleasantly surprised).
If anyone doesn't believe the data, then I suggest you increase the
sample size by taking the survey for yourself:
http://cartalk.cars.com/Info/newsurvey.html
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:39:11 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: re: DML Productions!
Lee Seiler said:
> The DML could be the perfect foundation to "make the DeLorean
> story".
> Sounds like a nutty Idea but . . .
Yes, it sounds like a very nutty idea. But what the heck, it sure is fun
to
talk about it! Here are my thoughts:
There are plenty of problems with telling a controversial story like this
one. If you want to please 1,100 DML subscribers then you increase
those problems by several orders of magnitude. A lot of people have
different agendas where John DeLorean is concerned, and no matter
how you tell the story some people on the DML will be unhappy with it.
If our agenda is strictly to enhance the value of DeLorean cars, then IMO
the best concept for the script is the one they used for "Tucker: the Man
and His Dream." Create characters and events based on real life but be
prepared to bend the truth any time it makes the story better. For
example, blend three or four real events into one movie scene and throw
out any truth that we don't like. Create some events that are pure
fiction.
Find gratuitous excuses to show off the cars even when they have
nothing to do with the scene.
To be dramatic, the story needs a hero, or at least a protagonist and one
or more antagonists. Will the hero be John DeLorean? Margeret
Thatcher? Bill Collins? C.R. Brown? Collin Chapman? Leif Montin?
Johnny Carson? Ed Bernstein? James Espey?
In "Tucker" one of the main villains was a purely fictional Chairman of
the
Board named Robert Bennington. Maybe in the DeLorean movie we
should go one better and create a hero who is purely fictional, like they
did in "Titanic." That would eliminate a little of the trouble.
Finally, where does the story begin and end? IMO if we want to impress
people with the cars then the most important part of the story took place
*after* the company went out of business, in the 16 years that our cars
have been on the road without factory support. That is crucial to our
hypothetical agenda, but not very dramatic.
This conversation is a lot of fun, Lee. But maybe we should conduct it
away from the DML. I have a more detailed idea that I would like to
discuss, perhaps by private E-mail.
"I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. Seiler."
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:49:31 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: re: Car History
Mike Atkinson said:
> I was wondering if there might be a way of finding some past
> history on our car. Maybe through a club in the area where
> we bought it or a friend of a friend type of thing.
If you are a member of the DeLorean Owner's Association you might be
able to talk to John Truscott about your car's history. When I bought
mine
he was able to tell me who the original owner was and where the car
was purchased by consulting records they acquired. I don't think the
records are complete for every car, though. For me it was a very
interesting place to start. You can find out how to contact the DOA at
their website:
www.delorean-owners.org
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:15:26 -0500 (EST)
From: DJS912@xxxxxxxxx (Danny Smith)
Subject: DML: Delorean body repair
The unthinkable has happened - somebody smacked Delores's passenger
side door in the parking lot of my local Big Lot while I was inside for
20 minutes. The local Cadillac-Rolls Royce (and original Delorean)
dealer does not seem thrilled about the prospect of doing the repairs.
They did some beautiful body work for me on the car about 14 years ago,
but when I called them this morning the body shop guy was not very
encourageing - saying that they may have to replace the door and that
surface refinishing was a problem, but I could bring it by for them to
look at. It's only a 1/2" ding about 3" above the door lock and a little
to the left. My question to the group is - Does anyone know of a
facility in the Detroit or surrounding areas that can perform this work
for me? Thanks -
Dan P.S. - James, I know how bumed you are even
though my damages are far less extensive.
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:01:37 -0800
From: Eric Altendorf <altevan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Many Questions
Please answer whichever of the following you can. Thanks much!
(1) What happened to the 18 Lotus-built fiberglass-skinned
pre-production DeLoreans?
(2) Engineering question: Why was stainless steel chosen over aluminum?
Aluminum is lighter, far more malleable (no problems with cracking
bonnets!), and cheaper. Sure it's easier to dent, but it's easier to
pound out flat again too.
(3) Does anyone know the weight breakdown for the car? Or if anyone
knows the weights for the following parts: Frame / suspension components
/ wheels / engine, drivetrain / fiberglass tub / body panels / trim &
interior.
(4) Why was the car designed rear-engine? In looking at the engineering
drawings in SSI, it appears that there was room, if one sacrificed the
interior cargo shelf, to move the engine 150-200 mm forward. What
problems would one have with such a configuration?
(5) Who's got the low-down on the suspension & wheels? I hear that
Lotus did an "excellent" job designing the suspension perfectly, but our
US cars were adulterated to meet spec. (A) What was the original spec,
and how can one return to it (I don't think cut & swap springs does
it)? (B) How does overall tire/wheel size affect suspension? Would
larger tires fit, and if so, how would they affect suspension/steering?
(6) What is involved in removing the body from the chassis? According
to the parts manual it looks pretty straightforward...
(7) Is there anyone in California who's swapped to a non-original
engine? What problems with smogging it did you have?
(8) According to SSI, the early cars were the ones without fuel filler
flaps. According to popular and obvious knowledge, the early ones *had*
fuel filler flaps. So I'm assuming that a few cars starting at 00500
were without. What VIN range has fuel filler flaps?
That's all for now. Thanks.
- -e.
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 98 14:19:55 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DML Productions! As we step into the unknown...
Response to Lee's original posting has been great, and I am ready to sign
on both with $100 and my services. My first step has been to create a NEW
mailing list - this list is ONLY for discussion of the production of the
DeLorean "project", and has a few differences from the "regular" DML.
1. The DMLProductions list in NOT moderated - you post it, everyone reads
it. Violations of the rather narrow topic subject will be like baseball,
three strikes and you get to sit down until the next inning.
2. Only those folks that have "put their money where their mouth is" can
be subscribed to the list or allowed to post.
3. For those that like to look before they leap, periodic updates will be
posted to the DeLorean Mailing List, and "digest" versions of the
DMLProductions list will be posted on a public wesbite.
Some details regarding investing are still being worked out, look for
more postings later this week...
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 98 14:26:59 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Maine Service
On 10/26/98 1:28 AM, Watkins Family watbmv@xxxxxxxxxxxx shared these
fine thoughts...
>"yeah, it's just a car".......Does anyone know of a place in New England
>that is closer to Maine than Rob Grady. I plan on hauling my car to him
Foreign Car Service
602 Main Road North
Hampden, ME 04444
207/942-6731
Try asking for John Luce...
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:04:15 -0500
From: "Eric " <aerostar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Online insurance quotes
Questions about the cost of auto insurance seem to come up here quite a
bit; I've found a fast and simple site from MetLife that should give a
good
*guestimate*. They were within a couple of dollars of my current policy,
so
I assume they will be competitive for you too. And DeLorean is included in
the pull-down make list on the site!
Go to http://www.metpay.com and answer the questions.
Note: you can enter your VIN *or* make and model.
Eric Friedebach
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:19:58 -0800
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: A sad day in history!
This is MY "Sad Day" story!
On Oct 19, 1982 John DeLorean was arrested on drug charges.
On that same day, the former owner of my car heard this=20
news on the radio while driving down I-5 near Seattle.
=20
He had been talking about buying a=20
DeLorean for his wife, so got off the freeway and headed=20
straight for the dealer he had been talking to and purchased one.
The Seattle Times went to the dealer for the name of a
recent purchaser and came up with his wifes ...the car was
in her name....they took a picture of her in the drivers seat
with the door up. Then they ran it alongside John D in handcuffs.
It hit the AP and was in papers all over the world. =20
When I purchased the car from them, they gave me newspaper
clippings of same.
The car was built a year earlier (Build date Oct 1981).
They had driven it little and it had 3443 miles on it when I purchased =
it.
Murray Fisher
VIN:5692 Lic DMC-XII
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:30:59 -0500 (EST)
From: brian metz <metz.50@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: speedometer
Hey Guys (and ladies):
I just today downloaded and read the 3rd issue of the 'zine. I read the
article about changing your speedometer to a 140 MPH set-up. I thought
"doesn't my car already go to 140MPH?" So, I went outside and looked and
sure enough it did. Then, I read on and it said a few cars had these in
them. I wonder, does anyone know how many cars came with this speedo?
What
do the others (more common ones) look like? What do they read to? And
finally, does this add any value to my D?
Brian #16584
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:34:50 -0500 (EST)
From: brian metz <metz.50@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: wiring nightmare
Hi Again,
Well, I was taking Joe's advice and started to remove some of the "extra"
electrical wiring on my D. But, I need help. Where can I get a complete
wiring diagram? Is there one in the workshop manual?
Brian #16584
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:35:54 -0500
From: edds202@xxxxxxxx (Andrew w Edds)
Subject: DML: Stainless Care
Hi, I'm Andy.
I was at my work place (Mc Donald's) cleaning the place for an upcoming
inspection, I noticed I was using stainless steel cleaner that promoted
sheen and got rid of caked-on things. I was wondering if anyone had any
recommendations on what to use to care for that beautiful body work.
P.S. I think that DeLorean biography is an excellent idea. :->
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:26:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Bill Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Many Questions
On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Eric Altendorf wrote:
> (5) Who's got the low-down on the suspension & wheels? I hear that
> Lotus did an "excellent" job designing the suspension perfectly, but our
> US cars were adulterated to meet spec. (A) What was the original spec,
> and how can one return to it (I don't think cut & swap springs does
> it)? (B) How does overall tire/wheel size affect suspension? Would
> larger tires fit, and if so, how would they affect suspension/steering?
At the time the bumper heights were stricter than they are now. I don't
know what the spec was then or what it is now, but the cars were raised
about 2 inches to meet the requirements (which have since been
eliminated). PJ Grady has a "eurospring" conversion which puts things
back the way they ought to be. Cut & Swap puts the car to its originally
intended height but does not get some things such as ground clearance and
pitch angle quite right.
Some of the early '81s have front suspension problems with caster and/or
camber (don't remember which) which make the tires wear funny. Put the
Eurosprings on and they will wear properly. Later '81s and after will
have been configured for the higher height and the suspension will have to
be adjusted or the tires will wear funny.
Lowering in general improves handling and I'm sure that the PJ Grady style
lowering is better than the Cut & swap system.
As far as larger tires, the big problem is that there's not too much space
in the wheel wells for larger tires. Also Lotus DID design the suspension
properly the first time. You won't gain with larger tires. However,
advances in tire technology have made "plus-sizing" feasible - where you
put larger rims but smaller sidewalls to maintain firmer tires but
identical (within 1 or 2 percent) tire size. Anecdotal evidence is that
this works pretty well to improve handling, but not everyone agrees on
this. My personal belief is that it's a good idea. I think Yokohama
makes AVS Intermediates that will work with this.
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 98 16:40:52 MST
From: "Cadet Jeffrey T. Phillips, x-4574"@world.std.com
Subject: [none]
<PhillipsJT00.CS09.USAFA@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject:re: DML: "floating" sensation
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My mechanic, who I believe to be the best Delorean
mechanic in these parts (the only factory trained Delorean mechanic in
Kansas City, I believe) thinks I am crazy when I tell him I am
experiencing a "floating" sensation when the car gets to going about 30
mph or so on a straight stretch of smooth roadway.
<snip>
I would guess that this is caused by the tires that you have on the car.
I had
a similar experience with my old Mustang. As it turned out the car had
3
radial tires and 1 bias-ply tire. The result was that the Radial tires,
having
much softer sidewalls, would allow the front of the car to "float" side
to
side over the tires, while the Bias-Ply kept the rear of the car firmly in
place. Normally, with 4 radials you won't feel this sensation but I
suppose if
one or two tires were significantly different in their sidewall
properties I
could see how you might experience "the float".
Jeff Phillips
VIN : Nil
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:03:38 EST
From: ABatt10347@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Third gear or lack of it
Fellow DMCer's,
Started to work this AM in my D. As usual when it is cold outside, the
shifting was stiff. From 1st to 2nd, no problem. When trying to shift to
third
ran into a wall. Tried fourth and fifth had both. My question is I have
1st,
2nd, 4th and 5th, but no third. Called Steve W. at DMC Houston and he
said to
drain gear box and refill. If this didnt fix problem then would have to
open
up case. Has anyone else ever had this problem and if so what did you do.
Thought I had bent a linkage but Steve said if I have fourth gear then the
fork is ok. (Fork covers third and fourth gears ). Thanks for any help.
Just
glad I'm trailering it to AL show this weekend. (Family is going with me).
Thanks again also Joe email me your phone # as I think we may have to
hook up
on this one.
Bruce Battles
Vin# 06569
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:37:23 -0500
From: Gerald Deutsch <Jerry1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: brake rotor drilling?
Does anyone know if it would be a good idea to have the rotors drilled =
out for ventilation? I am told that they get very hot and tend to warp =
easily, so I'm assuming that having them drilled properly would help a =
bit. I mean, if other high performance cars have success with them, =
along with almost all motorcycles, why not? Any thoughts? ---Dan Vin# =
5493
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:12:34 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: brake rotor drilling?
>Does anyone know if it would be a good idea to have the rotors drilled =
>out for ventilation? I am told that they get very hot and tend to warp =
>easily, so I'm assuming that having them drilled properly would help a =
>bit. I mean, if other high performance cars have success with them, =
>along with almost all motorcycles, why not? Any thoughts? ---Dan Vin# =
>5493
A quick trip to the ever-reliable, always-available back issue search
engine and searching on "drilled rotors" provided this URL:
http://www.dmcnews.com/backissues/dml258.html
The first post in this archived digest includes part numbers and ordering
information.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:51:12 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Dave's Trans pt1
Dave,
Sounds like you have things under control, as far as the TDC (protection)
plate screws you'll need an extra long 1/4 in. socket extension to get
them
back in. As far as re-surfacing the flywheel be aware that there is no
clearance adjustment. Be sure that your machine shop tech mills off no
more
than necessary.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:03:13 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: "floating" sensation
De,
Check your front wheel bearings for free play. The slightest amount of
play
will cause the symptom you describe.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:04:18 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean Kit-Car?
Albert,
NEVER.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:31:29 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Painting My D, and Engine Compat...
Check with P.J. Grady about painting in your area. The answer to your
second question is NO!. Although the DeLorean engine is the same basic
unit
used in 6 cylinder Volvo's it has many components that are custom to the
DeLorean. As an example the transmission, which is a Renault not Volvo, is
modified to run backwards from its normal setup as a front engine rear
drive car. Finally, forget air bags, check the archives for a three point
belt system that was discussed several weeks ago. That would be a much
more
cost effective addition than an air bag.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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