dmcnews-digest Thursday, October 22 1998 Volume 03 : Number 431
In this issue:
Re: DML: Christmas Cards
DML: DeLorean Atari System?
DML: Re: My torsion bar spontaniously tweaked.
Re: DML: Re: Speaker Boxes
Re: DML: My torsion bar spontaniously tweaked.
DML: Delorean For Sale
DML: Delorean self bleeder
Re: DML: Re: leaking fuel lines?
Re: DML: Re: Speaker Boxes
DML: Front end vibration
DML: New startup car company ... sorta
DML: Stuck Plugs
DML: workshop manual question
DML: DELOREAN REPAIRS (rear collision)
DML: Re: Air Bag Prototype DeLorean Pictures
DML: Tech Tips Updated Completely
DML: wiring nightmare
Re: DML: Delorean self bleeder
Re: DML: Front end vibration
Re: DML: New startup car company ... sorta
Re: DML: Stuck Plugs
DML: Re: Delorean self bleeder
DML: Re: DeLorean REPAIRS (rear collision)
Re: DML: A sad day in history.
DML: Re: Re: My torsion bar spontaniously tweaked.
Re: DML: Re: Speaker Boxes
DML: PRV V6 was a V8
Re: DML: Re: Speaker Boxes
Re: DML: New startup car company ... sorta
Re: DML: Eletrical Questions
Re: DML: New Orleans Owners
Re: DML: DeLorean Atari System?
Re: DML: Front end vibration
DML: Re: DeLorean REPAIRS (rear collision)
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:25:00 CDT
From: "Edward Pryor" <fasted98@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Christmas Cards
>I know James is probably very busy with moderator duties and all
>SO........could someone tell me how to order a set of the Christmas
>Card?
>
If I am not mistaking you can order the Christmas Cards from dmcnews.com
Sincerely
Edward Pryor
Vin #???? Hopefully one day in the Future!!!
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:59:38 -0500
From: Stephen R <StephenR@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DeLorean Atari System?
A while aago I heard something about an Atari System that was being made
with the DeLorean name stamped on it. Obviosly this is something that
was made several years ago. Does anyone know where I might get a new
one to save and let it grow in value?
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:31:38 -0500
From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: My torsion bar spontaniously tweaked.
> I saw that the torsion bar was broken right at the hinge of the door
> towards
> the rear of the car. That was what the loud bang was earlier this week.
>
> Does anyone know what could have caused this to happen? > -
>Dave
The torsion bars are good for at least 100,000 cycles. They are, however,
very brittle and if they were somehow scored they could fracture much in
the same way glass can be scored and fractured. I've seen at least one
case
where the splines acutualy were ground away where they contact the
retaining bracket at the rear of the roof. My guess is somewhere along the
line the torsion bar on your car was gouged or scored by someone or
something. Replacing it is definatly a two person job and the best way is
to use the wooden fixture with the proper wrench. With the right equipment
the job isn't too hard.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:52:45 -0400
From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Speaker Boxes
Marc,
I know this wont be of much help to you, but I thought I should mention it
based on your search. In one of my DeLoreans I have a beautiful speaker
box
that looks as if it was made for the car. It is 7" high, tapers down to 4"
and is 13" front to back and 41 1/2" wide. It is covered in light gray
carpet contains 4 6" speakers weighs about 50 pounds puts out killer bass,
and fits perfectly on the parcel shelf. Here is the bad news, for the life
of me I can't remember where I purchased this great item. I just went out
to get the measurements and find out who makes it unfortunately it has no
I.D. plate, so the mystery continues. While I was writing this message to
you I remembered seeing a similar unit to the one I described in the
latest
Crutchfield catalog. Call Crutchfield at 1 800 955-3000 and ask them to
send you their latest catalog, when you get it go to page 57 and check out
the MTX10X2, keep in mind that in your DeLorean the box will be laying on
its back this leaves plenty of clearance for the courtesy lamp and the
cargo net.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:34:47 -0400
From: Marvin Sterling <marv930@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: My torsion bar spontaniously tweaked.
Dave, while I still had mine, yes, the bar, or hinge let go - the door was
full open and I was just getting in when I heard that gun shot sound -
luck I
got the other leg in because if not I would have been the one legged man -
getting out was even more interesting. Since I had it up for sale it
turned
out the the new owner elected to take the lower price and have it repaired
himself.
Marv Sterling, former vin 16000
Dave Price wrote:
> A few days ago I was in the garage with my DeLorean, busy at my workbench,
> and I heard a loud bang that sounded like someone had thrown a large rock
> at
> my garage door. I looked around the garage, looked outside... I didn't
> see
> anything that had fallen or been thrown, so I just ignored it, and kept
> doing what I was doing..
>
> Well, today I tried to open my driver's side door, and it wouldn't budge.
> So I figured my door lock solenoids were acting up again.. I opened the
> passenger side door and unplugged the door lock module, re-unlocked the
> driver's side door, and again to open it. It still was stuck closed..
> although I did feel it give sightly. So I thought it might have been hung
> up on the door lock bolts... I grabbed the bottom of the door and gave it
> a good heave-ho, and it opened up... Then I looked around at the door, and
> I saw that the torsion bar was broken right at the hinge of the door towards
> the rear of the car. That was what the loud bang was earlier this week.
>
> Does anyone know what could have caused this to happen? The car was just
> sitting there undisturbed with the doors closed. I've never heard of this
> happening before, is it common, or am I just unlucky? It would probably
> cause some serious damage if the t-bars were to give out while the door was
> open. Man, I am not looking forward to fixing this.. not only are they $350
> each, the process to replace/adjust sounds like it requires an expert.
> Damn, just when (almost) everything was working....
>
> - Dave
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:57:37 -0500
From: "MARK" <mazz@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Delorean For Sale
Hello,
I am selling my 1981 Delorean, #5262 --with 3000 original miles! I have
owned this car since the mid 80's and have kept it in a climate controlled
storage facility. The car is in absolutely excellent showroom condition.
Beautiful inside and out. Stainless steel body is unblemished. Everything
is original. Gray leather interior still looks new. Automatic trans.,
original goodyear nct tires included. The car has always been
professionally maintained. One of the finer Deloreans anywhere. A must
see for the serious collector. Located in Florida. Serious inquires only
please.
Asking $23,000.
Mark Mazz (561) 837-2882
email: mazz@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 03:34:18 EDT
From: WtrResQ@xxxxxxx
Subject: DML: Delorean self bleeder
on the last meeting of the Nor Cal DMC where we went to the Blackhawk
Museum(as described by So Cal member Mr Breer, thx for the post) i met
"RadDad" and looked at his turbo "D". WOW! well, he had a self bleeder
attached to the bleeder valve that tapped into the upper/return hose on
the
rear of the coolant bottle. my first question to the list is...i have not
been able to find a water hose to attach to the bleeder valve that has a
inner
diameter of 1/4 inch. i have found lots of fuel line of this size, which
would take higher pressure than a water line, but ive heard that fuel
line can
not be used w/ coolant. ive heard that the rubber will
breakdown......anyone?
ok, question number 2) has anyone used that "Rad Cap", or kno anyone who
has
used it w/ good or bad results?? i saw this thing on TV and then again
in the
auto parts store. it is a replacment radiator cap that works on the same
principal that zincs do on saltwater boats. they attract the stray
electrical
current in the cooling system that eats metals. the theory is that the
"Rad
Cap" will deteriorate before the metal in the cooling system. anyone on
this??
thx, james
10470
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:19:01 -0700
From: "lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <lseiler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: leaking fuel lines?
At 09:11 AM 10/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Gerald
>
>I have had a problem with leaking banjo clips at the fuel injectors.
>This has led to a small blaze in the engine compartment while I
>was driving the car. Fortunately I noticed it almost as soon as it
>started and was able to put it out without damage to the car.
>
>By the way, diet Dr Pepper is a pretty good flame retardant.
>
>Michael A. Griese
>IBM Storage Systems Division
>Rochester, MN 55901
>Internet: magriese@xxxxxxxxxx
>voice: (507)253-1853
>fax: (507)253-2880
>
reply:
With out getting into a long reply, The banjo fittings are found in many
applications, the general rule is that any time the fitting is loosened,
the copper crush gaskets must be replaced with new ones. It is obvious
that
any loose or leaking fuel fitting or part is a fire hazard. I have drive
at
least 400,000 miles and flown 20,000 hours and never had an engine fire,
but then again I actually do safety checks on my D and all the aircraft I
have flown. I even got new banjo fittings and spare copper gaskets from
PJ's that I carry as on-board spares.
I wonder if Gator-Aid will work?
Lee
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:16:57 -0400
From: Marc A Levy <malevy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Speaker Boxes
Joe,
Thanks for the info! I happen to have the new crutchfield catalog right
here!
The MTX10X2 is described as 44 3/8 X 15 3/4 X (8 1/2 and 4 1/4).
The box you have is 41 1/2" wide, and I measure that the maximum space
between the two wheel "humps" is 43". So, the MTX10X2 is 1 3/8" to
long.
DMC Joe wrote:
>
> Marc,
> I know this wont be of much help to you, but I thought I should mention it
> based on your search. In one of my DeLoreans I have a beautiful speaker
> box
> that looks as if it was made for the car. It is 7" high, tapers down to 4"
> and is 13" front to back and 41 1/2" wide. It is covered in light gray
> carpet contains 4 6" speakers weighs about 50 pounds puts out killer bass,
> and fits perfectly on the parcel shelf. Here is the bad news, for the life
> of me I can't remember where I purchased this great item. I just went out
> to get the measurements and find out who makes it unfortunately it has no
> I.D. plate, so the mystery continues. While I was writing this message to
> you I remembered seeing a similar unit to the one I described in the
> latest
> Crutchfield catalog. Call Crutchfield at 1 800 955-3000 and ask them to
> send you their latest catalog, when you get it go to page 57 and check out
> the MTX10X2, keep in mind that in your DeLorean the box will be laying on
> its back this leaves plenty of clearance for the courtesy lamp and the
> cargo net.
> DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:14:11 -0500
From: "Kemp, Nick (MN10)" <nick.kemp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Front end vibration
I have front end vibration around 55 MPH, any ideas what is causing it?
Background:
- - New AVS tires
- - When mounted they did an on car balance
- - Car is aligned to spec
- - Very noticeable front end vibration
- - A month goes by without any driving
- - Took it back and had them balanced again. This time off car since the
on
car balancing guy is missing (literally)
- - less vibration but still noticeable
- - Mechanic says everything up front is tight
Do you think it is still the balance or do things like bearings come into
suspicion?
Thanks,
NK
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:20:57 -0500
From: "Kemp, Nick (MN10)" <nick.kemp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: New startup car company ... sorta
If the story of an individual creating a new car from scratch and going
into
production, like the early Delorean story, gets your attention, then take
note of the new Shelby Series 1. While waiting for the car to be fixed,
see
previous post, I read an article in R&T (I think) that reminded me of the
early Delorean days. He plans to make 500 the first year at $100,000 each
(I'll be keeping the D for at least another year). Many parts are
fabricated, by his company, and many others are from other sources, like
the
Aurora engine and other parts. Clearly there are not a lot of parallels,
but
it is interesting what he is doing nearly 20 years after Delorean.
NK
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:34:01 -0500
From: "Kemp, Nick (MN10)" <nick.kemp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Stuck Plugs
Three thoughts:
1) If installing cold plugs in a hot block can cause stuck plugs, you may
want to try removing the plugs while the engine is hot. Hopefully the
engine will expand faster than the plugs and give you some relief.
Putting
Dry ice on the plug may (or may not) help. I have no idea where you'll
find
dry ice shaped like a spark plug boot :-) and the damage it will do your
fingers is obvious. If you get desperate you may want to try liquid
nitrogen. It is readily available, can be poured on the plugs but make
sure
you use an insulated container to pour from and/or wear gloves.
2) From the school of experience, penetrating oil takes time to work on
tough problems. When removing the AC dryer, I could not move the large
nut
in the fall. Over the winter I periodically sprayed some penetrating oil
on
the fitting and in the spring it came off like it was finger tight. So
take
your time, the alternative sucks.
3) Once you do get them loosened, make sure you vacuum out the penetrating
oil or else it will be in the cylinder with any crud it found.
NK
897
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:57:53 -0400
From: "DOUG T VENNER" <DMC12@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: workshop manual question
Ok, is it just me or what. On page M:18:12 in the shop manual is the
wiring
diagram for door and interior lights, and none of the parts have numbers
next to them so I can tell what the are. I'm trying to find out why my
pass.
side door light don't work but I'm having a hard time finding what wires
go
to what. Any help here would be helpfull. Behind the radio I have three of
those diodes, all are not plugged in, yet the everything works except the
pass. door lights. How is that possible?
Also looking for a coil cover(plastic cover on R/S front of engine bay). I
know it's a long shot but if you got a extra, please let me know
Thanx
Doug Venner
#16680
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:19:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: ENS Eugene N Bolton <bolton@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: DELOREAN REPAIRS (rear collision)
I was also recently in an accident. I was stopped and rear ended.
Fortunately, none of the stainless steel panels were damaged.
First, you are totally entitled to a rental car if the other guy
was at fault. His insurance company has to pay for a rental while the car
is being repaired. Second, it might be less expensive to use the Ed at
Delorean One in L.A. It is closer, but the problem there is that Ed is
booked up with repairs until December. My insurance company (which is the
same insurance company as the guy who hit me) said I could use the repair
shop of my choice. I might have had the insurance company ship it out to
D1, but I didn't want to wait until January to get my car back, and Ed
recommended finding a good local shop to do the repairs. But either way,
if this insurance company you are dealing with allows you to use the shop
of your choice (which they should if they are a good insurance company),
you should not have to pay for shipping to a local shop or to Texas.
Good luck,
Eugene
#1554
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 07:46:53 +0000
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Air Bag Prototype DeLorean Pictures
I am interesting is getting a copy of the DeLorean crash testing video.
There were also two DeLoreans that were equiped with air bag and
crashtested by DOT. Does anyone have pictures of these?
I am acquiring a set of the air bag parts used in these cars and am
thinking of retrofitting these into my DeLorean. The interior shots
showed a slightly different dashboard.
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:00:38 -0500
From: "Duke" <at88mph@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Tech Tips Updated Completely
I finally got around to scanning all of the pages of the DMC manual that
DeLorean Motor Center was putting out a long time ago. Unfortunately,
my scanner is older (HP ScanJet IIc) and did not do a great job. Just
choose 'Tech Tips' on my website.
Thanks,
Duke
www.geocities.com/motorcity/8952/delorean.html
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:26:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: brian metz <metz.50@xxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: wiring nightmare
O.K, here's one for those of you with wiring expertise. When I bought my
D,
it had many "extras" already installed. It has:
1. 958 Ultra Sonic Alarm with a 965 infrared (or similar) sensor inside.
I
did not get any remotes or any info. on this alarm from seller (it was
there
when he bought it). Has anyone ever heard of this alarm or know anything
about it. I am half-scared to try to remove it, for fear the car may not
start.
2. The module for the alarm is located in the "box" behind driver's seat.
Dumb question: right next to it is a silver box that says "Jetronic." Is
this box part of the car's electrical system or part of the alarm?
3. There has also been added a "ZT driving computer" made by Cal Custom.
Does anyone know anything about this? It is supposed to give mpg etc. It
is not working or doing anything right now. It is mounted in the dash
near
the steering column and if I remove it, there will be a huge hole. So,
if I
can get it working, I will leave it in. (there is also a cruise control
unit added-ZT 12 Cruise Control-also by Cal Custom. It too is not working
properly.)
4. There was at one time, a car phone installed. Not only did they put a
hole in the roof for the antanna, but cut the carpet and stowage cover in
the trunk to mount it. Question: there is a wire with a connector on the
end lying in the bottom of the spare tire compartment. I think it is the
antenna wire that would plug into the phone unit, if it were still there.
Is
there any wire or connector in this area for the car or is it most likely
for the phone?
Thanx,
Brian #16584
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 98 13:48:20 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Delorean self bleeder
On 10/21/98 7:33 AM, WtrResQ@xxxxxxx shared these fine thoughts...
>"RadDad" and looked at his turbo "D". WOW! well, he had a self bleeder
>attached to the bleeder valve that tapped into the upper/return hose on the
>rear of the coolant bottle. my first question to the list is...i have not
>been able to find a water hose to attach to the bleeder valve that has a inner
>diameter of 1/4 inch. i have found lots of fuel line of this size, which
This came up once before I think. If memory serves, Arnie Brandon on PNDC
was making up some kits for this - I found this in the back issues using
the search engine
http://www.dmcnews.com/backissues/dml340.html
Check the posting from Garl Hull with the subejct: DML: RE: Cooling
System By-Pass
This may or may not be what Dick has on his car, but it sounds similar to
me...
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:29:57 +0000
From: ausmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Front end vibration
Hi again,
NK wrote,
> I have front end vibration around 55 MPH, any ideas what is causing it?
Have the tires checked for roundness and tread track. When on the
machine for balancing look at the tread and see if it wanders and
from the side to see if the tire is round, also check the trueness (
is that a word? ) of the rim.
Chris
#6301
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:24:24 +0000
From: ausmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: New startup car company ... sorta
Hi,
NK wrote,
> If the story of an individual creating a new car from scratch and going
> into
> production, like the early Delorean story, gets your attention, then take
> note of the new Shelby Series 1. While waiting for the car to be fixed,
> see
> previous post, I read an article in R&T (I think) that reminded me of the
> early Delorean days. He plans to make 500 the first year at $100,000 each
> (I'll be keeping the D for at least another year). Many parts are
> fabricated, by his company, and many others are from other sources, like
> the
> Aurora engine and other parts. Clearly there are not a lot of parallels,
> but
> it is interesting what he is doing nearly 20 years after Delorean.
I think you will find that Carrol Shelby did this in 1965 with the AC
Cobra, and with great success. JZD should have taken a lesson from
him and started small, but then our cars would cost much more and
most of us wouldn't be able to afford them.
Chris
#6301
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:16:00 +0100
From: Pete.J.Smith@xxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Stuck Plugs
It sounds to me like your best bet would be to put some really fine
penetrating oil around the plugs. Start the engine from cold and
run
for about a minute. You don't want to get the engine too hot
otherwise the wrong bit of metal will absorb the heat.. :-) Switch
the engine off, run like hell to the back, grab your spark plug
spanner (Nice if its got a T shape handle), put a piece of metal
tube
on each end of the T.
So it would look something like this : __ __
T
Ok - so it's not a very good picture, but you get the idea.! :-)
This will stop you ripping the threads on the plug. The tubes help
you to put even pressure on both sides of the spanner and plug.
Even
pressure stops you twisting the plug on the way out. I have no idea
about the amount room you'll have to put something like the tubes in
there though..
Then Twist away.."Like we did last summer.. Yeah..!" :-) My Dad
used
to have to do this all the time - it's never easy and taking your
time
is the best thing.. Hell my Dad even put petrol on a set of plugs
once
and set fire to them... Guess what? It didn't help.. Mind you, the
plugs where in a Tank.. :-)
Hope this helps.
Pete
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:02:11 -0500
From: "Duke" <at88mph@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Delorean self bleeder
James,
I've got a fuel line hooked up on mine and have had no problems yet.
Hope this helps,
Duke
- -----Original Message-----
From: WtrResQ@xxxxxxx <WtrResQ@xxxxxxx>
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 3:24 PM
Subject: DML: Delorean self bleeder
my first question to the list is...i have not
been able to find a water hose to attach to the bleeder valve that has a
inner
diameter of 1/4 inch. i have found lots of fuel line of this size, which
would take higher pressure than a water line, but ive heard that fuel
line cannot be used w/ coolant. ive heard that the rubber will
breakdown......anyone?
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:10:57 -0500
From: "C. Longwisch" <CL1954@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean REPAIRS (rear collision)
Now there is an idea! James takes his D to Ed.
The writer must be new to the list!!!!!!!!!
Cecil Longwisch
DMC1982
VIN# 10663
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:19:38 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: A sad day in history.
>Today is a important day in history:
>
> October 19, 1982 DeLorean was arrested on drug charges.
>
>
>Where were you on October 19, 1982?!
Wow! What a question. I can remeber EXACTLY where I was the NEXT day.
You see, I bought my first D new in September 1982. On October 20 I took
it into the dealer (Tate Cadillac in Pomona California) for it's "30 day
warranty check-up". They said, "Haven't you seen the news?" and then went
on to explain that they wren't going to do any warranty service on
DeLoreans until the whole mess was cleared up. I never went back.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:35:36 -0400
From: "David W. Silek" <dsilek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: Re: My torsion bar spontaniously tweaked.
I just replaced the door lift/support struts on my D. this week. > I have
seen several messages on the exchange about this "torsion bar". What is
it?
Where is it? And how do you inspect it? And do I need to do anything to
it
since I put the new door struts on?
Any advise is appreciated.
Thanks David Silek
#6111
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:00:26 EDT
From: KayoOng@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Speaker Boxes
Marc and all other DMLers,
About "sound", from a scientific approach as acoustics.
This subject matter is a very difficult thing to do especially in a
DeLorean's
interior. Basic fact is that if you want "bass" to be heard correctly,
that
would be very hard to do. There is no room for the first matter.
If you do install all these large drivers you will not hear it "in the
vehicle". You will only hear it correctly at a distance away from the
vehicle. Why? Scientific fact states that frequencies at the lower end
the
bass needs an average of 15 to 20 feet to be "fully" heard. The low
frequency
cycles takes needs this distance to be heard from the gernerating source.
High frequencies on the other hand needs only 1 to 2 feet to be heard
from the
tweeter or the sound generating source.
Now to get a good acoustic image and sound balance is an engineering job
itself. I heard many sound systems from many different vehicles. Some
are
excessive and nice, while others are wrong and intoxicating. Many have
"blistering" highs and "boom" beyond reality of the real sound. A good
sound
system for reproduction of sound for any enclosed environment whether it
is
for home, auto, boat, airplane etc is a difficult task. At times it is a
hit
or a miss. Many of these system are just a basic compromise for sound.
If
you are going to do what you want to do by adding woofer boxes and more
boxes
for other drivers of mid and highs to the DeLorean's interior. All of
these
boxes will alter the sound too. It takes up space and you may or must
have to
modify or destory the interior to do so. Space that the sound needs to
be as
a soundfield.
The woofer boxes are to be installed right behind you! You can't hear it
in
its full capacity. The outside surrounding of people will. Two blocks
away
before you get there!!! They will love you for disturbing "their peace".
(That why in NYC there is a law for the boom boxes and excessive sound.
Fines
and summons for it!)
Then you have to balance the rest of the audio spectrum to these boom
boxes.
Then after all of that, how about the current to drive all these bass
drivers?
High current amps needed. Then you need the room to mount the
amps....then is
goes on and on and on. Let alone the fact the DeLoreans just have enough
amp
to run normally.
What I discover after all these years, most people who do install all of
these
unit, drivers, components or system are real not happy but since they
invested
the money they "bit the bullet" and live with it. They will be too sad or
embarrass to admit they don't like the sound. If they are finically
stable,
they will pull it all out and do it again.
IMHO? Get a good pair or several pairs of speakers that you like and
then get
good electronics and amplifiers to "push or to drive" the speakers as
loud as
you like. Anything loud and clean is good. Too loud you risk losing you
hearing. HELLO?
Remember, many sales or installers make money on what they sell. Do they
know
by experience what the equipment sounds like in the DeLorean on the
general
after the installation? Or do they really care? You buy it. You or they
install it. It is yours, unless you can get an outfit that will work
with you
to exchange components "to get it right" if you are not satisfied.
Get a good head unit and CD unit to match and amps to drive the new basic
speakers.
You will be happy.
This subject can be very subjective and there are many opinions of likes
and
dislikes. It can go on and on and on like I said.
Kayo Ong
#05508
Lic 9D NY
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:28:31 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
From: Jim Lill <jpl@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: PRV V6 was a V8
A year or so ago, I had commented on this list that the PRV V6 had started
life as a V8 in the mid 70's but the oil crisis made them axe it to a V6
before it went into production. Since then, someone on the list mentioned
my comment, and others challenged its veracity. I'd like to present a
little evidence on the matter, not to defend myself but to be sure that
the list members get the facts!
- - my original comment was based on personal input to me by Stefan Olsson
a well known Swedish Volvo expert.
- - at least 2 magazines confirm this...
MOTOR KLASSIK No.7/94 had a big story about the Peugeot 504
Coup=E9/Cabriolet.
Amicale, Peugeot Austria had a similar story in 1/96 with specific mention
of the V8 -> V6 with 2664cc in 1974.
- - comments from another Peugeot/Volvo owner:
It's even on the Peugeot web site in the Francaise de Mecanique
section.=20
May be in french only though, but it's there. And it's real common
knowledge to anyone with good knowledge of Volvo, and it was discussed at
length on the Swedishbrick mailing list years ago. Also it is explained
why the V is at the angle of a V8 even if it's a V6, and Peugeot added the
balancer on the 505 to make it work smoother. It's also mentioned in the
Haynes Volvo 260 book.=20
More V6 info is contained in my PRV V6 page:
http://www.vectorbd.com/peugeot/v6.html
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:36:56 -0500
From: scottmueller@xxxxxxxxx (Scott Mueller)
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Speaker Boxes
KayoOng@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
> Marc and all other DMLers,
>
> About "sound", from a scientific approach as acoustics.
>
> This subject matter is a very difficult thing to do especially in a
> DeLorean's
> interior. Basic fact is that if you want "bass" to be heard correctly,
> that
> would be very hard to do. There is no room for the first matter.
>
Has anyone given any thought to the Bose Acoustic Wave Radio. The sound
is incrediable. Dr. Bose has broke the conventional rules govenoring
sound and has done an incrediable job. I have the Accoustamas system in
my home. Those itty bitty speakers are incredable.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:11:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bill Wilson <fluffy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: New startup car company ... sorta
On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 ausmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Cobra, and with great success. JZD should have taken a lesson from
> him and started small, but then our cars would cost much more and
> most of us wouldn't be able to afford them.
I don't think starting small was an option. If he had been starting small
then no government financing would have been available. The only option
was to start big in order to employ lots of factory workers, then hope the
demand showed up. Unfortunately at the prices he was charging the demand
wasn't there. If he had managed to sell the car for the originally
planned $12,000, then it would have sold like hotcakes and the company
would still be in business. Unfortunately, a combination of design cost
overruns, parts cost overruns, manufacturing delays, quality control
problems, general wasting of money, and plain overcharging drove the price
up too high. JZD had market research figures in hand that told him
exactly how many cars he would sell at varying prices, and in fact, the
market research was pretty close. Unfortunately, $25,000 was too much
considering that the faster and more reliable (but far less exciting)
Corvette cost only about $20,000 at the time. Bad luck struck too - the
car was entering production at exactly the time when a bad economy, high
inflation, and the worst winter ever all conspired to make sports cars in
general sell very badly.
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:12:29 -0400
From: Haldeman Family <haldeman@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DML: Eletrical Questions
NJP548@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
> Hey List,
>
> I have been experiencing some minor electrical problems in my De lorean
> that
> I just wanted to ask the list before I did anything about them. First,
> after
> I turn on my wipers and then turn them off they always to a single swipe
> every
> 7 seconds. It stops after I turn off the car and starts up again
> whenever I
> turn that wiper on again. I was thinking it was the wiper delay thing or
> something, but I wasn't sure.
Boy this sounds familiar! The wipers are actually behaving the way they
are supposed to. The delay switch is real easy to activate when you pull
the lever down, if you go past the rest point.
If you are real careful when you pull the lever down to turn them off
you can avoid going into the delay switch. But it takes practice. I
usually bump it up just a little after turning them off, and that solves
the problem.
I too have a fast idle, but only after an extended drive. Any guesses?
David Haldeman
Josh Haldeman
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:26:52 EDT
From: UltTgater1@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: New Orleans Owners
I live in NW Florida and would like some info on the DMC meeting in
Alabama.
Jerry
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:02:24 EDT
From: GullwingD@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Atari System?
To get the DMC Atari e-mail: Paraversal@xxxxxxx
He had fifty of them the last time i taked to him!
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:23:55 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: DML: Front end vibration
>
>Have the tires checked for roundness and tread track. When on the
>machine for balancing look at the tread and see if it wanders and
>from the side to see if the tire is round, also check the trueness (
>is that a word? ) of the rim.
>
>Chris
>#6301
- ---------------
Further to this thread: I suspect that Chris is right on target. I have
been experiencing the same problem. Went in to have the tires balanced.
Discovered that either my left front tire or my left front wheel is not
true. Haven't had a chance to follow up on it yet. Balanced the tires as
best we could and while the vibration was diminished, it still exists.
Dick Ryan
VIN 16867
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:24:36 -0000
From: James Espey <espey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean REPAIRS (rear collision)
Cecil wrote:
>Now there is an idea! James takes his D to Ed.
I doubt that I could even get Ed to talk to me on the phone, much less
agree to work on the car. Not that I would take it there, anyway. Without
going on a tirade, Ed is certainly closer than Stephen, but I can't in
good conscience support Ed's business practices. Stephen, Rob, Don and
even Dave have always treated me with the utmost in respect whether I am
calling for "tech support", a price check, or to place an order.
I know that others have had great experiences dealing with Ed, I used to
be one of those folks myself. Just don't get on his bad side (though if
you do, rest assured there are plenty of other places that will treat you
right ALL the time).
James Espey
Spoken as a member, not a moderator
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