[DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?

["Scott" <bk2d80s@xxxxxxxxx>]

Fair enough, again I dont really care about the overhead console. 
You're right you can do what you want with it. 
Like I said, I was angry at the time and it is a small dumb point 
anyway. However I think the whole thing is irrelevent at this point.
Again, I am more concerned about your behavior and lies regarding my 
friends.
Then 



--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Robert Moseley" <videobob@...> 
wrote:
>
> I did not lie about anything.
> I explained this to you in private emails.
> I told you I needed the parts you offered to me to put in my
> car, but I ended up selling my car BEFORE I installed the overhead
> console...I was't going to throw it in for free after all the money
> I put into it.
> I offered it to the buyer but he didn't want to spend any
> more money so I decided to sell it separetly.
> 
> Besides which, what difference does it make what I do with
> the parts I buy from you?
> They are not given to me as charity you know,
> I paid top dollar for this stuff, and was happy to do so.
> I thought we were helping each other.
> You needed the extra money and I needed the parts.
> What's the problem with that?
> 
> I have never lied to you about anything.
> All I have done is bought stuff from you.
> I think I have given you somehwere in the neighborhood
> of about $1400 or so, I would have to check.
> You never had much of a problem taking that from me.
> I am getting the impression that your opinion of me
> blows with the breeze, and maybe you think that since
> I sold my car that I am out of the game...I don't think I am.
> - VB
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Scott" <bk2d80s@> wrote:
> >
> > Bob the least you could do is get it right and stop putting $$ 
> > estimates on what you think WE make in profit you idiot. 
> > 
> > Let me clarify a few things. 
> > 
> > you said : 
> > 
> > "I want to point out one thing here.
> > Gary and Scott's complaints of me are that I build props and 
then 
> > sell them
> > for a profit. They feel like I have somehow used them as tools 
to do 
> > this."
> > 
> > This was never my complaint. I dont care that you make a profit, 
> > believe me I am very much a capitalist and believe in the system 
> > unlike you. 
> > My complaint stems from your LIES and BEHAVIOR to my peers. 
> > I DO consider Gary and Monte my friends and I will defend them. 
> > 
> > Then you said : 
> > 
> > "Scott has sold around $15,000 worth of Time Circuits over the 
years,
> > ( am guessing based on $900 each) not to mention all the other 
little
> > parts, and most recently selling his completed car for $55,000 
on 
> > ebay.
> > This is not chump change!!!"
> > 
> > 
> > WHO in the heck are you to tell me how much I made in time 
circuit 
> > sales? YOU have NO idea how many I sold, for what price I sold 
> > them , and how much they cost me to make. And for the record my 
car 
> > is the same deal. I PROMISE you I have not made NEARLY what you 
> > think. 
> > 
> > Then you said: 
> > 
> > "I am a definate threat to these guys, they stand to loose a lot 
of 
> > PROFITS
> > by having me in the fold, especially with a website like mine 
that 
> > give away
> > all of the sources, measurements, instructions and more for 
FREE." 
> > 
> > Bob I hate to tell you this but your stuff is crap. You ARE NO 
> > THREAT TO ME. 
> > NEVER WERE. 
> > I just think you're a lying s.o.b.
> > 
> > Which brings me to the next thing you said:
> > 
> > " I mean, look at Scot's complaint about me, that he sold me 
some 
> > props he
> > made (unfinished) for a premium I might ad...then I finished 
them, 
> > and put
> > them
> > for sale. What is wrong with that?
> > I didn't copy his work, I USED his work."
> > 
> > I probably didnt make this clear enough because I was so POed 
when I 
> > wrote it, but I DONT CARE that you are using my housings to 
build 
> > your crap to sell.. The MORAL of that story was to show how you 
LIE. 
> > YOU LIE LIE LIE. 
> > You told me one thing and did another. 
> > LIE-ER.
> > GOT IT? 
> > Bob more power to you if you can sell junk to people for a 
> > rediculous amount of money.. If Britney spears can do it, so can 
> > Videoboob. 
> > 
> > Scott
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Videobob Moseley" <videobob@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I didn't GLUE anything to his windsheild.
> > > It was a 4x6 post it note.
> > > A light breeze would have blown it off.
> > > All I did was cover the sticker with it.
> > > Considering how I felt he is lucky I didn't take a hammer to 
the 
> > damned 
> > > thing.
> > > 
> > > As far as Gary's site goes, sure he is going to put what he 
wants, 
> > how he 
> > > wants
> > > on his site in his words.
> > > All you see is HIS account of things, and nothing in my own 
words.
> > > 
> > > Just FOLLOW THE MONEY.
> > > Gary, Scott, Bruce, all of these guys don't like that I am 
willing 
> > to build
> > > a product for less money, and I am willing to share my 
research 
> > with others.
> > > They cover up the model numbers, they horde parts and 
information.
> > > They do it all for ego's sake.
> > > Gary's site was not meant to help others with the hobby, but 
more
> > > to gloat and say "look at me!!! Look what I have and you 
don't!!!"
> > > 
> > > Gary has now coiped my site to the T now, funny how he 
eventually 
> > does
> > > to me all the things he accuses me of.
> > > 
> > > I could go through and write a book listing a defense for 
every 
> > little nit 
> > > picking
> > > thing ever mentioned....but who has time?
> > > 
> > > I will give you one example.... Gary sold me a  part, the 
photo of 
> > the part 
> > > was nice and new,
> > > the part I got looked like total crap, and so I said something 
to 
> > him about 
> > > it.
> > > Instead of taking care of it he banned me from his site so I 
could 
> > not 
> > > mention it
> > > to others because he had several complaints like this.
> > > He tried to make it seem like I fabricated the story.
> > > I have the box he mailed it to me in, the photo of the part he 
was 
> > selling 
> > > and the
> > > photo of what I recieved as proof.
> > > But you know what? Who cares?
> > > I am not going to waste all that effort to break his balls 
over it.
> > > 
> > > As far as your statement of: "had dismantled one of his props, 
and 
> > mentioned 
> > > doing
> > > so, and he voided your warranty."
> > > I have no idea what you are talking about there.
> > > The only person who I have bought anything from was Scot D.
> > > He has done an aweful lot of business with me so I don't what
> > > he is complaining about.
> > > I have bought two sets of time circuits from him, and countless
> > > other parts. So I guess his opinions of me changes when ever he
> > > needs money.
> > > 
> > > I want to point out one thing here.
> > > Gary and Scott's complaints of me are that I build props and 
then 
> > sell them
> > > for a profit. They feel like I have somehow used them as tools 
to 
> > do this.
> > > Funny how BOTH of these people have made a substantial amount 
of 
> > money
> > > doing this very thing.
> > > Scott has sold around $15,000 worth of Time Circuits over the 
> > years,
> > > ( am guessing based on $900 each) not to mention all the other 
> > little
> > > parts, and most recently selling his completed car for $55,000 
on 
> > ebay.
> > > This is not chump change!!!
> > > 
> > > Gary, has sold his last car for over $30,000 and countless 
other 
> > props for
> > > a profit, he is constantly offering up his props for high 
dollar 
> > amounts.
> > > 
> > > I am a definate threat to these guys, they stand to loose a 
lot of 
> > PROFITS
> > > by having me in the fold, especially with a website like mine 
that 
> > give away
> > > all of the sources, measurements, instructions and more for 
FREE.
> > > That's right - FREE.
> > > I will sell you prop for a reasonable price or I will show you 
how 
> > to make 
> > > it
> > > for FREE.
> > > I will tell you what you need, where to get it and how to do.
> > > Go find that on Gary's web site.
> > > 
> > > So use your heads.
> > > This is all about MONEY and how Gary feels the pressure - NO 
> > MATTER WHAT
> > > BULLSHIT HE COMES UP WITH AS AN EXCUSE.
> > > Gary's motto is a lot like Ed Bernstien in that if you buy 
from 
> > Videobob 
> > > then he
> > > won't sell to you. Scott and Monte need Gary, so they have 
thier 
> > heads 
> > > planted
> > > firmly up his ass so they can get what they need from him.
> > > 
> > > It's all about the money.
> > > Always has been.
> > > 
> > > I have never stolen anything from these guys EVER.
> > > I have not copied anything, or re-casted anything.
> > > I made my own labels myself, I took my own measurements at 
> > Universal Studios
> > > myself, I used still photos from the movie to make my props 
myself.
> > > 
> > > ....I mean, look at Scot's complaint about me, that he sold me 
> > some props he
> > > made (unfinished) for a premium I might ad...then I finished 
them, 
> > and put 
> > > them
> > > for sale. What is wrong with that?
> > > I didn't copy his work, I USED his work.
> > > 
> > > This whole thing is rediculous anyway, and there is no point 
in 
> > trying to
> > > talk sense to someone who is biased.
> > > 
> > > - VB
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >From: "timnagin" <timnagin@>
> > > >Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >To: <DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?
> > > >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:02:48 -0400
> > > >
> > > >I read all of the posts on Gary's site about all of this and 
he is
> > > >absolutely correct.  VB was banned for awhile and Gary later 
let 
> > him return
> > > >only for him to blow up a few weeks or months later.
> > > >
> > > >In addition, the whois for VB's domain shows it being 
registered 
> > 10/31/04.
> > > >You were also called out by someone from Gary's site, I 
believe, 
> > who also
> > > >posts on the DML.  You had dismantled one of his props, and 
> > mentioned doing
> > > >so, and he voided your warranty.
> > > >
> > > >At this point I think the only people you may have a chance 
at 
> > convincing
> > > >are people who don't know anything about this situation.  
Anyone 
> > who is or
> > > >has been on Gary's site, and read these posts, knows the 
truth.
> > > >
> > > >As far as Monte's stickers are concerned I say he has the 
right 
> > to put
> > > >anything on his car he wants.  You have the right to put 
anything 
> > on your
> > > >car you want to.  No one has the right to put anything on 
anyone 
> > else's car
> > > >without their explicit permission, especially when it's glued 
to 
> > the
> > > >windshield.  You vandalized his car.
> > > >
> > > >Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> > On Behalf
> > > >Of Gary Weaver II
> > > >Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:46 PM
> > > >To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: [DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?
> > > >
> > > >No worries, my foot is already well in my mouth :)
> > > >
> > > >I WAS incorrect in my timeline. I was looking at a cached 
version 
> > of
> > > >my pages and missed the date differences.
> > > >
> > > >My first administrative action against you was in October (the
> > > >restricted sales access). In November you created your 
website. 
> > You
> > > >were actually still a member. You even went so far to plug 
the 
> > site
> > > >on my board. It didn't bother me one bit, you were still 
denied
> > > >sales access though. I even sold you a part or two and shared 
info
> > > >with you (trying to keep the peace and all that). You were 
only
> > > >banned permanently after you decided to make up some crap and 
rake
> > > >me over the coals on my board - then admitted it was all a 
lie.
> > > >
> > > >THATS why you were banned. I apologize for getting the 
timeline
> > > >skewed.
> > > >
> > > >But hey, if you want to to a little GW2 Clearing house on 
your 
> > site -
> > > >  Please do. I've told you to go ahead with it everytime 
you've
> > > >threatened me you would.
> > > >
> > > >After two years, I'm still waiting... :)
> > > >
> > > >-Gary
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Videobob Moseley" 
<videobob@>
> > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Before you put your foot in your mouth keep in mind that I 
have
> > > >saved every
> > > > > email you and I
> > > > > have ever had in a folder, including the one where you 
explain 
> > to
> > > >me that
> > > > > building my website
> > > > > was the "last straw", etc....
> > > > > I am not going to bore all these people with this, but I 
think
> > > >that when I
> > > > > have time I will
> > > > > post on my website the complete timeline and archive of 
letters
> > > >for review.
> > > > > I don't think anyone but you and I cares about any of 
this, and
> > > >these petty
> > > > > arguments are not the point.
> > > > > The point is how things are handled in a public forum, and 
how
> > > >Monte
> > > > > was inappropriate.
> > > > > You however were just an a bystander in all this, but you
> > > >obviously condoned
> > > > > it
> > > > > and that is why I am disappointed in you.
> > > > > I thought you had more class than that.
> > > > > When one of my "friends" does something wrong, I won't 
just 
> > take
> > > >his side
> > > > > because we are friends, I will help guide him to do the 
right
> > > >thing.
> > > > > - VB
> > > >
> > >
> >
>







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