[DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?

["Robert Moseley" <videobob@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I did not lie about anything.
I explained this to you in private emails.
I told you I needed the parts you offered to me to put in my
car, but I ended up selling my car BEFORE I installed the overhead
console...I was't going to throw it in for free after all the money
I put into it.
I offered it to the buyer but he didn't want to spend any
more money so I decided to sell it separetly.

Besides which, what difference does it make what I do with
the parts I buy from you?
They are not given to me as charity you know,
I paid top dollar for this stuff, and was happy to do so.
I thought we were helping each other.
You needed the extra money and I needed the parts.
What's the problem with that?

I have never lied to you about anything.
All I have done is bought stuff from you.
I think I have given you somehwere in the neighborhood
of about $1400 or so, I would have to check.
You never had much of a problem taking that from me.
I am getting the impression that your opinion of me
blows with the breeze, and maybe you think that since
I sold my car that I am out of the game...I don't think I am.
- VB

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Scott" <bk2d80s@...> wrote:
>
> Bob the least you could do is get it right and stop putting $$ 
> estimates on what you think WE make in profit you idiot. 
> 
> Let me clarify a few things. 
> 
> you said : 
> 
> "I want to point out one thing here.
> Gary and Scott's complaints of me are that I build props and then 
> sell them
> for a profit. They feel like I have somehow used them as tools to do 
> this."
> 
> This was never my complaint. I dont care that you make a profit, 
> believe me I am very much a capitalist and believe in the system 
> unlike you. 
> My complaint stems from your LIES and BEHAVIOR to my peers. 
> I DO consider Gary and Monte my friends and I will defend them. 
> 
> Then you said : 
> 
> "Scott has sold around $15,000 worth of Time Circuits over the years,
> ( am guessing based on $900 each) not to mention all the other little
> parts, and most recently selling his completed car for $55,000 on 
> ebay.
> This is not chump change!!!"
> 
> 
> WHO in the heck are you to tell me how much I made in time circuit 
> sales? YOU have NO idea how many I sold, for what price I sold 
> them , and how much they cost me to make. And for the record my car 
> is the same deal. I PROMISE you I have not made NEARLY what you 
> think. 
> 
> Then you said: 
> 
> "I am a definate threat to these guys, they stand to loose a lot of 
> PROFITS
> by having me in the fold, especially with a website like mine that 
> give away
> all of the sources, measurements, instructions and more for FREE." 
> 
> Bob I hate to tell you this but your stuff is crap. You ARE NO 
> THREAT TO ME. 
> NEVER WERE. 
> I just think you're a lying s.o.b.
> 
> Which brings me to the next thing you said:
> 
> " I mean, look at Scot's complaint about me, that he sold me some 
> props he
> made (unfinished) for a premium I might ad...then I finished them, 
> and put
> them
> for sale. What is wrong with that?
> I didn't copy his work, I USED his work."
> 
> I probably didnt make this clear enough because I was so POed when I 
> wrote it, but I DONT CARE that you are using my housings to build 
> your crap to sell.. The MORAL of that story was to show how you LIE. 
> YOU LIE LIE LIE. 
> You told me one thing and did another. 
> LIE-ER.
> GOT IT? 
> Bob more power to you if you can sell junk to people for a 
> rediculous amount of money.. If Britney spears can do it, so can 
> Videoboob. 
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Videobob Moseley" <videobob@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't GLUE anything to his windsheild.
> > It was a 4x6 post it note.
> > A light breeze would have blown it off.
> > All I did was cover the sticker with it.
> > Considering how I felt he is lucky I didn't take a hammer to the 
> damned 
> > thing.
> > 
> > As far as Gary's site goes, sure he is going to put what he wants, 
> how he 
> > wants
> > on his site in his words.
> > All you see is HIS account of things, and nothing in my own words.
> > 
> > Just FOLLOW THE MONEY.
> > Gary, Scott, Bruce, all of these guys don't like that I am willing 
> to build
> > a product for less money, and I am willing to share my research 
> with others.
> > They cover up the model numbers, they horde parts and information.
> > They do it all for ego's sake.
> > Gary's site was not meant to help others with the hobby, but more
> > to gloat and say "look at me!!! Look what I have and you don't!!!"
> > 
> > Gary has now coiped my site to the T now, funny how he eventually 
> does
> > to me all the things he accuses me of.
> > 
> > I could go through and write a book listing a defense for every 
> little nit 
> > picking
> > thing ever mentioned....but who has time?
> > 
> > I will give you one example.... Gary sold me a  part, the photo of 
> the part 
> > was nice and new,
> > the part I got looked like total crap, and so I said something to 
> him about 
> > it.
> > Instead of taking care of it he banned me from his site so I could 
> not 
> > mention it
> > to others because he had several complaints like this.
> > He tried to make it seem like I fabricated the story.
> > I have the box he mailed it to me in, the photo of the part he was 
> selling 
> > and the
> > photo of what I recieved as proof.
> > But you know what? Who cares?
> > I am not going to waste all that effort to break his balls over it.
> > 
> > As far as your statement of: "had dismantled one of his props, and 
> mentioned 
> > doing
> > so, and he voided your warranty."
> > I have no idea what you are talking about there.
> > The only person who I have bought anything from was Scot D.
> > He has done an aweful lot of business with me so I don't what
> > he is complaining about.
> > I have bought two sets of time circuits from him, and countless
> > other parts. So I guess his opinions of me changes when ever he
> > needs money.
> > 
> > I want to point out one thing here.
> > Gary and Scott's complaints of me are that I build props and then 
> sell them
> > for a profit. They feel like I have somehow used them as tools to 
> do this.
> > Funny how BOTH of these people have made a substantial amount of 
> money
> > doing this very thing.
> > Scott has sold around $15,000 worth of Time Circuits over the 
> years,
> > ( am guessing based on $900 each) not to mention all the other 
> little
> > parts, and most recently selling his completed car for $55,000 on 
> ebay.
> > This is not chump change!!!
> > 
> > Gary, has sold his last car for over $30,000 and countless other 
> props for
> > a profit, he is constantly offering up his props for high dollar 
> amounts.
> > 
> > I am a definate threat to these guys, they stand to loose a lot of 
> PROFITS
> > by having me in the fold, especially with a website like mine that 
> give away
> > all of the sources, measurements, instructions and more for FREE.
> > That's right - FREE.
> > I will sell you prop for a reasonable price or I will show you how 
> to make 
> > it
> > for FREE.
> > I will tell you what you need, where to get it and how to do.
> > Go find that on Gary's web site.
> > 
> > So use your heads.
> > This is all about MONEY and how Gary feels the pressure - NO 
> MATTER WHAT
> > BULLSHIT HE COMES UP WITH AS AN EXCUSE.
> > Gary's motto is a lot like Ed Bernstien in that if you buy from 
> Videobob 
> > then he
> > won't sell to you. Scott and Monte need Gary, so they have thier 
> heads 
> > planted
> > firmly up his ass so they can get what they need from him.
> > 
> > It's all about the money.
> > Always has been.
> > 
> > I have never stolen anything from these guys EVER.
> > I have not copied anything, or re-casted anything.
> > I made my own labels myself, I took my own measurements at 
> Universal Studios
> > myself, I used still photos from the movie to make my props myself.
> > 
> > ....I mean, look at Scot's complaint about me, that he sold me 
> some props he
> > made (unfinished) for a premium I might ad...then I finished them, 
> and put 
> > them
> > for sale. What is wrong with that?
> > I didn't copy his work, I USED his work.
> > 
> > This whole thing is rediculous anyway, and there is no point in 
> trying to
> > talk sense to someone who is biased.
> > 
> > - VB
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >From: "timnagin" <timnagin@>
> > >Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >To: <DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?
> > >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:02:48 -0400
> > >
> > >I read all of the posts on Gary's site about all of this and he is
> > >absolutely correct.  VB was banned for awhile and Gary later let 
> him return
> > >only for him to blow up a few weeks or months later.
> > >
> > >In addition, the whois for VB's domain shows it being registered 
> 10/31/04.
> > >You were also called out by someone from Gary's site, I believe, 
> who also
> > >posts on the DML.  You had dismantled one of his props, and 
> mentioned doing
> > >so, and he voided your warranty.
> > >
> > >At this point I think the only people you may have a chance at 
> convincing
> > >are people who don't know anything about this situation.  Anyone 
> who is or
> > >has been on Gary's site, and read these posts, knows the truth.
> > >
> > >As far as Monte's stickers are concerned I say he has the right 
> to put
> > >anything on his car he wants.  You have the right to put anything 
> on your
> > >car you want to.  No one has the right to put anything on anyone 
> else's car
> > >without their explicit permission, especially when it's glued to 
> the
> > >windshield.  You vandalized his car.
> > >
> > >Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> On Behalf
> > >Of Gary Weaver II
> > >Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:46 PM
> > >To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?
> > >
> > >No worries, my foot is already well in my mouth :)
> > >
> > >I WAS incorrect in my timeline. I was looking at a cached version 
> of
> > >my pages and missed the date differences.
> > >
> > >My first administrative action against you was in October (the
> > >restricted sales access). In November you created your website. 
> You
> > >were actually still a member. You even went so far to plug the 
> site
> > >on my board. It didn't bother me one bit, you were still denied
> > >sales access though. I even sold you a part or two and shared info
> > >with you (trying to keep the peace and all that). You were only
> > >banned permanently after you decided to make up some crap and rake
> > >me over the coals on my board - then admitted it was all a lie.
> > >
> > >THATS why you were banned. I apologize for getting the timeline
> > >skewed.
> > >
> > >But hey, if you want to to a little GW2 Clearing house on your 
> site -
> > >  Please do. I've told you to go ahead with it everytime you've
> > >threatened me you would.
> > >
> > >After two years, I'm still waiting... :)
> > >
> > >-Gary
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Videobob Moseley" <videobob@>
> > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Before you put your foot in your mouth keep in mind that I have
> > >saved every
> > > > email you and I
> > > > have ever had in a folder, including the one where you explain 
> to
> > >me that
> > > > building my website
> > > > was the "last straw", etc....
> > > > I am not going to bore all these people with this, but I think
> > >that when I
> > > > have time I will
> > > > post on my website the complete timeline and archive of letters
> > >for review.
> > > > I don't think anyone but you and I cares about any of this, and
> > >these petty
> > > > arguments are not the point.
> > > > The point is how things are handled in a public forum, and how
> > >Monte
> > > > was inappropriate.
> > > > You however were just an a bystander in all this, but you
> > >obviously condoned
> > > > it
> > > > and that is why I am disappointed in you.
> > > > I thought you had more class than that.
> > > > When one of my "friends" does something wrong, I won't just 
> take
> > >his side
> > > > because we are friends, I will help guide him to do the right
> > >thing.
> > > > - VB
> > >
> >
>







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