[DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?

["Gary Weaver II" <gary@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Well, I'm glad Robert freely admits to defacing another attendee's 
vehicle at the show. Nice to have that out of the way.

For someone not wanting to bust my balls Robert sure does a pretty 
bang up job of doing it doesn't he? Again, typical behaviour.

For the record my first vehicle sold for $23,500 if I recall -  
CONVERTED. After the auction fees and premiuems, I took home a check 
for $19k. That BARELY covered the cost of the car and materials. 
There was no PROFIT from my first car... That is the truth of the 
matter - completely opposite to whatever sob story Robert wants to 
post here.

Robert's statement about me not selling to anyone he sells to is 
utter fabrication. I reiterated this point earlier. Just because he 
keeps saying it over and over will not make it true. To date Robert 
is the ONLY person I directly refuse to sell to and that is partly 
due to his antics on the Light mentioned below.

I worked to resolve the issues with him on that light. He said the 
light was wrong and I asked him how. I asked if it had the textured 
lens, etc, etc. He purchased a Tier 1 condition light from my sale 
and he RECIEVED a tier one light. In the end all it had "wrong" with 
it was some sticker residue. Robert even admitted this himself 
(wanna see the e-mails). He also admitted that it was soley to see 
how I liked being wrongly attacked in public. For THAT Robert was 
banned from my site. Believe me, I checked the records last night.

Come on Robert... You're gonna have to do better than this. I've 
treated you with kid gloves for the last two years to keep our mess 
AWAY from the Delorean Community at large. You were the one who saw 
fit to bring me into an issue thats really between you and Monte. 

I can keep this up as long as you do.

-Gary


--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Videobob Moseley" <videobob@...> 
wrote:
>
> I didn't GLUE anything to his windsheild.
> It was a 4x6 post it note.
> A light breeze would have blown it off.
> All I did was cover the sticker with it.
> Considering how I felt he is lucky I didn't take a hammer to the 
damned 
> thing.
> 
> As far as Gary's site goes, sure he is going to put what he wants, 
how he 
> wants
> on his site in his words.
> All you see is HIS account of things, and nothing in my own words.
> 
> Just FOLLOW THE MONEY.
> Gary, Scott, Bruce, all of these guys don't like that I am willing 
to build
> a product for less money, and I am willing to share my research 
with others.
> They cover up the model numbers, they horde parts and information.
> They do it all for ego's sake.
> Gary's site was not meant to help others with the hobby, but more
> to gloat and say "look at me!!! Look what I have and you don't!!!"
> 
> Gary has now coiped my site to the T now, funny how he eventually 
does
> to me all the things he accuses me of.
> 
> I could go through and write a book listing a defense for every 
little nit 
> picking
> thing ever mentioned....but who has time?
> 
> I will give you one example.... Gary sold me a  part, the photo of 
the part 
> was nice and new,
> the part I got looked like total crap, and so I said something to 
him about 
> it.
> Instead of taking care of it he banned me from his site so I could 
not 
> mention it
> to others because he had several complaints like this.
> He tried to make it seem like I fabricated the story.
> I have the box he mailed it to me in, the photo of the part he was 
selling 
> and the
> photo of what I recieved as proof.
> But you know what? Who cares?
> I am not going to waste all that effort to break his balls over it.
> 
> As far as your statement of: "had dismantled one of his props, and 
mentioned 
> doing
> so, and he voided your warranty."
> I have no idea what you are talking about there.
> The only person who I have bought anything from was Scot D.
> He has done an aweful lot of business with me so I don't what
> he is complaining about.
> I have bought two sets of time circuits from him, and countless
> other parts. So I guess his opinions of me changes when ever he
> needs money.
> 
> I want to point out one thing here.
> Gary and Scott's complaints of me are that I build props and then 
sell them
> for a profit. They feel like I have somehow used them as tools to 
do this.
> Funny how BOTH of these people have made a substantial amount of 
money
> doing this very thing.
> Scott has sold around $15,000 worth of Time Circuits over the 
years,
> ( am guessing based on $900 each) not to mention all the other 
little
> parts, and most recently selling his completed car for $55,000 on 
ebay.
> This is not chump change!!!
> 
> Gary, has sold his last car for over $30,000 and countless other 
props for
> a profit, he is constantly offering up his props for high dollar 
amounts.
> 
> I am a definate threat to these guys, they stand to loose a lot of 
PROFITS
> by having me in the fold, especially with a website like mine that 
give away
> all of the sources, measurements, instructions and more for FREE.
> That's right - FREE.
> I will sell you prop for a reasonable price or I will show you how 
to make 
> it
> for FREE.
> I will tell you what you need, where to get it and how to do.
> Go find that on Gary's web site.
> 
> So use your heads.
> This is all about MONEY and how Gary feels the pressure - NO 
MATTER WHAT
> BULLSHIT HE COMES UP WITH AS AN EXCUSE.
> Gary's motto is a lot like Ed Bernstien in that if you buy from 
Videobob 
> then he
> won't sell to you. Scott and Monte need Gary, so they have thier 
heads 
> planted
> firmly up his ass so they can get what they need from him.
> 
> It's all about the money.
> Always has been.
> 
> I have never stolen anything from these guys EVER.
> I have not copied anything, or re-casted anything.
> I made my own labels myself, I took my own measurements at 
Universal Studios
> myself, I used still photos from the movie to make my props myself.
> 
> ....I mean, look at Scot's complaint about me, that he sold me 
some props he
> made (unfinished) for a premium I might ad...then I finished them, 
and put 
> them
> for sale. What is wrong with that?
> I didn't copy his work, I USED his work.
> 
> This whole thing is rediculous anyway, and there is no point in 
trying to
> talk sense to someone who is biased.
> 
> - VB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "timnagin" <timnagin@...>
> >Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: <DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: RE: [DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?
> >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:02:48 -0400
> >
> >I read all of the posts on Gary's site about all of this and he is
> >absolutely correct.  VB was banned for awhile and Gary later let 
him return
> >only for him to blow up a few weeks or months later.
> >
> >In addition, the whois for VB's domain shows it being registered 
10/31/04.
> >You were also called out by someone from Gary's site, I believe, 
who also
> >posts on the DML.  You had dismantled one of his props, and 
mentioned doing
> >so, and he voided your warranty.
> >
> >At this point I think the only people you may have a chance at 
convincing
> >are people who don't know anything about this situation.  Anyone 
who is or
> >has been on Gary's site, and read these posts, knows the truth.
> >
> >As far as Monte's stickers are concerned I say he has the right 
to put
> >anything on his car he wants.  You have the right to put anything 
on your
> >car you want to.  No one has the right to put anything on anyone 
else's car
> >without their explicit permission, especially when it's glued to 
the
> >windshield.  You vandalized his car.
> >
> >Greg
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
On Behalf
> >Of Gary Weaver II
> >Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:46 PM
> >To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [DMCForum] Re: Inappropriate Car Show Behavior?
> >
> >No worries, my foot is already well in my mouth :)
> >
> >I WAS incorrect in my timeline. I was looking at a cached version 
of
> >my pages and missed the date differences.
> >
> >My first administrative action against you was in October (the
> >restricted sales access). In November you created your website. 
You
> >were actually still a member. You even went so far to plug the 
site
> >on my board. It didn't bother me one bit, you were still denied
> >sales access though. I even sold you a part or two and shared info
> >with you (trying to keep the peace and all that). You were only
> >banned permanently after you decided to make up some crap and rake
> >me over the coals on my board - then admitted it was all a lie.
> >
> >THATS why you were banned. I apologize for getting the timeline
> >skewed.
> >
> >But hey, if you want to to a little GW2 Clearing house on your 
site -
> >  Please do. I've told you to go ahead with it everytime you've
> >threatened me you would.
> >
> >After two years, I'm still waiting... :)
> >
> >-Gary
> >
> >
> >--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Videobob Moseley" <videobob@>
> >wrote:
> > >
> > > Before you put your foot in your mouth keep in mind that I have
> >saved every
> > > email you and I
> > > have ever had in a folder, including the one where you explain 
to
> >me that
> > > building my website
> > > was the "last straw", etc....
> > > I am not going to bore all these people with this, but I think
> >that when I
> > > have time I will
> > > post on my website the complete timeline and archive of letters
> >for review.
> > > I don't think anyone but you and I cares about any of this, and
> >these petty
> > > arguments are not the point.
> > > The point is how things are handled in a public forum, and how
> >Monte
> > > was inappropriate.
> > > You however were just an a bystander in all this, but you
> >obviously condoned
> > > it
> > > and that is why I am disappointed in you.
> > > I thought you had more class than that.
> > > When one of my "friends" does something wrong, I won't just 
take
> >his side
> > > because we are friends, I will help guide him to do the right
> >thing.
> > > - VB
> >
>






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