RE: [DMCForum] Re: DMC Whine..

["Videobob Moseley" <videobob@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks for the story, I enjoyed reading it and I think you managed to convey 
what I could not.
It is not the car and it's appearance, it is the owners attitude towards the 
car.
I wish the new owner Japheth all the lunk in the world in restoring the car 
and I am glad it has been passed on to someone who will do so, and will show 
the respect it deserves.
Ron can go get himself a Hyundia and be quite happy I am sure.

I will be in Vegas the week of April 17th for the NAB convention, but I am 
not bringing the DeLorean, I will be on the Harley.
I usually get one of the Vipers off the strip for a day or two, we will see.
Maybe you can show me the best place to play some cheap blackjack?
- Videobob

>From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [DMCForum] Re: DMC Whine..
>Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:48:49 -0000
>
>
>I think that we're talking about two seperate things here. Specificly,
>the difference between a "Rolling Restoration", and a "Cheap-ass,
>irresponsable owner."
>
>Let me relate this by telling a small story about one DeLorean, and
>two owners who both represented these two catergories.
>
>About 2 years ago, I met Ron. I pulled out into traffic, and spotted
>his DeLorean in front of me. So, I pulled up to him, honked my horn,
>we pulled over and met. Ron had a decent car with good potential. In
>fact, if you have any older copies of "DeLorean World" magazine,
>you've seen it. He was the black guy from Hawaii. Now, while Ron was a
>nice person, he was hardly someone who should own a classic car. Let's
>examine Ron for a second here:
>1. Purchased the car years ago, before he had 3 kids. But never fixed
>it up.
>2. Decided to become dependant upon a classic car as main
>transportation, that he had sitting in storage for 3 years.
>3. He was DEATHLY afraid of car repair!
>4. He was also the cheapest man to walk the face of the earth.
>
>Years ago, Ron's original radiator cracked a side tank while it was in
>Hawaii. He took it into a radiator shop, and the guy there advised him
>to simply order a new one from a mainland DeLorean vendor, and he'd
>install it for him. No, Ron wanted this one repaired. And it was at
>this point that the repair man PLEADED with him to replace both tanks.
>Because if one broke, the other was most likely to fail as well. But
>alas, Ron believed that this wasn't nessisary, and that the guy was
>just simply trying to squeeze more money out of him. Years later when
>Ron relocated to Las Vegas, the other tank on his radiator decided to
>blow out. I advised him to replace it. Our local DeLorean mechanic
>Owen advised him to replace it. But it was only after Darryl
>Tinnerstet finally convinced him to replace it, did he break down and
>buy it.
>
>Now let me further explain how bad Ron was. He was convinced that his
>car suffered from the worst electrical system problems ever. Because
>his door lights would never come on. A few seconds later, I discovered
>that fuse #12 was missing. Lo and behold, the lights magicly came on!
>Several times I had to slap his hands away from my louvers, because he
>was trying to spray them with Amorall (I use non-silicone products).
>He belived that even after installing a 3 layer radiator, that his car
>was still over heating-because the fans wouldn't come on until just a
>couple needle spaces below 220 on the temp gague. And my all time
>favorite, it took his car to get repaired at a Hyundai dealership,
>rather than a garage with a factory trained DeLorean mechanic. Why?
>Because it was an extra 3 miles for the tow to the DeLorean mechanic.
>
>Now it also became apparent that his car had a classic hot-start
>issue. He asked me, and I told him to replace the Accumulator. He
>called Warren @ DMCH, and got the same answer. He called Darryl, and
>got the same answer. His trusted Hyundai mechanic who didn't know
>K-Jetronic theory didn't have a clue. So naturally Ron blames his
>problem on the Cold Start Valve. I asked him if his car started ok
>when it was cold. He said it did, and that the problem would only
>occur if he started the engine while it was warm. Then how could it be
>the CSV?, I asked. Frustration the likes of which I have seldom seen
>erupted from Ron. He wanted me to do the work, and said that he'd pay
>me for it, and I declined. I told him that if he wanted me to help
>him, I would gladly do it for free. Under the condition that he helps,
>and learns from me how to do things for himself. I told him that my
>goal was not to make money off of him, but to educate him. He
>complained the he didn't have tools or space, which I countered with
>an offer to arrainge it all. He scoffed at the idea, and became pissed
>when I told him that there was nothing stopping him from working on
>his car, except for his own fears that had no basis. All he could do
>was bitch about the car not working properly, as I pointed out it was
>all his own fault.
>
>Save for two breif conversation after that, I totally turned my back
>on him. Never answered his phone calls again. I have my pride, and it
>greatly offended me that every time he came at me with a problem, like
>his passenger door that became stuck shut soon after, that he scoffed
>at my ideas, and pointed out that he was going to first consult with
>his Hyundai mechanic who "knows about car repair". Especially when
>he'd contact DMCH or someone, and they'd tell him the same thing I did
>previous. I do not forgive things on a whim.
>
>About 3 months or so later, I saw that he finally posted his car for
>sale in the local paper. To say the least, I was releaved.
>
>Earlier this month, Micheal Babb came to town, and another local
>DeLorean owner on the list here, Matt Stits, and I both went down to
>meet him. At the last minute, Matt tells me that there is going to be
>another local owner whom I don't know that's going to be joining us.
>Durring our conversation, I find out that this new person, Japheth, is
>the one whop purchased Ron's car. I already knew a bit of history
>about his car, and we get to talking. I make the same offer to him,
>and he takes me up on it. Because that passenger side door is still
>stuck shut.
>
>So in one afternoon I guided him thru pulling the door panels off,
>showed him how the door linkage worked, and adjusted the cable that
>connects to the outer door handle. This eliminated the binding in this
>cable that was causing the front door latch to lock up. And we then
>went on to lubricating the door linkage, cleaning the wiper switches,
>along with installing new door lock actuators, and a keyless entry
>system. All in one after noon.
>
>Yes he still has to install new door regulators, and yes the cost of
>them is high. However, the car has other prioroties first such as that
>accumulator, and it's Ducey alternator that need to be replaced first.
>Slowy but surely, this car will be restored again, but it progress
>will be visable, because it'll be on the road at the same time. Yes,
>he too has put his car into Daily Driver Duty.
>
>Now the reason that I give this example is this. One car, two seperate
>owners who are distinctly different, but easily confusable with one
>another because of their car's appearance/status.
>
>Now, I agree totally with you, Video Bob, that people like Ron are
>idiots, and should be made to realize this as such. However, when you
>vocaly expressed this, it ended up pissing off people in situations
>like Japheth, because no distintion can be made simply by the
>condition of their cars, as to whom/what the owners are like. Yes, the
>clothes do tend to make the man. But they're just guidelines, and
>can't always be used to make a consice judgement. After all, here we
>had one car. The exact same car that didn't magicly become any more
>reliable by itself when it changed hands between two owners. It simply
>encountered a new owner.
>
>So for a car that is cosmeticly the same, how am I supposed to be able
>to tell any differences in owner responsability?
>
>
>Now don't worry, VB. There are no hard feelings here. So I'm not
>pissed at you. I understand sarcasm just fine, and can tell the
>difference between the stating of an opinion, and a direct attack. In
>fact, whenyou come out to Vegas, let me know, and we'll meet.
>
>-Robert
>
>
>
>--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Videobob Moseley" <videobob@xxxx> wrote:
> > You are absolutely worthy of your car.
> > I think that these things convey a little about yourself.
> > It tells a little story about you.
> > Kinda like the way a hobo dresses when he is begging for spare change.
> > "Clothes make the man"" theory.
> > Now, I am sure the hobo is a nice guy, he is a wonderful human being
>I am
> > sure.
> > However his outward appearance would make you think otherwise.
> >
> > SO I am sure your a great guy.
> > Shit, you can come over and fuck my sister.
> > Take her for a ride in that awesomely well kept car of yours!
> > I bet that everyone who sees your car loves the peeling paint,
>warped fascia
> > and moldy cracked dashboard... I bet they cream when they see it.
> >
> > Or maybe, just maybe they walk away muttering under their breath...
> > "Man, those DeLorean's are real pieces of shit!"
> >
> > Do you see my point at all or does this just blow by you?
> > I am being sarcastic but I am honestly not trying to insult you.
> > I am trying to make a point here and I think it is valid.
> > That point is that the public perception of the DeLorean is that it
>is a
> > piece of shit.
> > When people see a car that has not been up kept then they think all the
> > DeLoreans  look this way and confirms the mis-information.
> > By not fixing the cars you are doing the other owners and injustice.
> > If you can't afford to fix the car then maybe you are not
>financially ready
> > to own one.
> > These are luxury cars and not necessity, and if your life is
>situated enough
> > to afford a luxury car and the ability to fix it up then maybe you
>are being
> > irrisponsible with your finances, and if you have a family on top of
>that
> > then you are being irrisponsible to them as well.
> >
> > I can't say it any clearer than that.
> >
> > I have been accused of bragging about my "stuff",
> > my original intention was to proove that I was not talking out of
>both sides
> > of my head.
> > That I had in fact taken care of my life first, car second.
> > I don't have any debt, and no kids to e responsible for, therefore I
>can
> > afford to have this car and t's upkeep.
> >
> > I will be in Vegas next month if you want to talk about it some more.
> > -VB
> >
> > >From: "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxx>
> > >Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [DMCForum] Re: DMC Whine..
> > >Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:42:29 -0000
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Videobob Moseley" <videobob@xxxx>
> > >wrote:
> > ><SNIP>
> > > > So, I am not going to stick my nose into all of their personal
> > >business, I
> > > > don't give a shit about them selling wine or DMC salad dressing -
> > >who cares?
> > > > I don't.
> > ><SNIP>
> > >
> > >But I'm not worthy of my car because of "eyebrows", damaged facia
> > >paint, and a cracked binnacle?!?
> > >
> > >-Robert
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>

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