[DMCForum] Re: Why? (For Marc)

["cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I'm not offended by the image of a naked woman. In fact, I own 
several.

I don't share it with my kids. I keep it out of site. I call the 
image of a naked woman -gyrating in a sexually suggestive manner- on 
national TV much more glaring and in-your-face than holiday music 
that generally advocates peace and goodwill to your fellow human 
playing softly under roar of a large crowd at a shopping mall.

Which one does more damage? Shoving an image in a kid's face that sex 
is cool and totally safe and without consequences or jingally music 
that often doesn't have any lyrics but even if it does, speaks of 
food, fond memories and family moments? That's how the "fire" analogy 
applies.

You find religion "offensive" but it isn't harming you. Blatant, 
constant, sexual innuendo -can- (but isn't always) be harmful to 
young kids who usually follow the example of the environment they are 
exposed to.

PS- I am STILL waiting to hear why homosexuallity is ok, but incest 
with your sis, brother, or 1st cousin isn't (genetic birth defects 
not withstanding). Also, don't tell me an animal can't consent to 
sex. As was pointed out, an animal in heat will latch on to whatever 
is placed in front of it. My female dog repeatedly rebuffs my male 
dog's advances. A perfectly reasonable example of consent and denial. 
That must mean it's ok right?


--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> --- cruznmd <racuti1@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> <SNIP>
> > As far as your "religion" goes, which requires
> > breasts on TV etc, 
> > yours (and anyone else's) right to practice their
> > religion ends when 
> > it harms other people.
> > I, nor any court in this land
> > would believe 
> > that you are permanently or even temporarily harmed
> > by being exposed 
> > to hymns during Christian holiday periods. In fact,
> > you can not even 
> > prove to me that you are -forcibly- exposed to
> > Christian holiday 
> > music. Freedom of speech does not include yelling
> > "fire" in a crowded 
> > movie theater. This is a basic example that has been
> > used for 
> > generations in basic civics classes.
> 
> I like your example.  How is the harm of the inability
> for me to escape religious music in any public place
> any different than breasts on TV?  Forcibly?  no.. I
> could simply stay home for 2 months to avoid the
> torture of awful religious music, and all of the bible
> thumper who don't want to see breasts can change the
> channel.
> 
> Maybe I did not explain myself well.  The ability for
> a store owner to play religious music SHOULD be
> protected by the first amendment, but so should
> breasts on TV.  How can you compare the image of human
> body on television to yelling FIRE in a crowded
> theater?  If you are offended by a naked image,
> complain to the maker!  LOL
> 
> <SNIP>
> 
> > I want all you liberals to answer a question for me,
> > that I honestly 
> > can't seem to resolve:
> > 
> > If two men or women, love each other, and engage in
> > sexual acts which 
> > are unnatural (meaning for pleasure and not for the
> > purpose of 
> > perpetuating the species) and they aren't hurting
> > anyone, why is it 
> > not acceptable for a man to teach his daughter that
> > it is ok, or 
> > perhaps even a privilage for her to love him and
> > pleasure him if she 
> > agrees and isn't forced and isn't injured? Why is it
> > not acceptable 
> > for a man to engage in acts with an animal if the
> > animal isn't forced?
> 
> In the case of a child, or animal, it can be concluded
> that even if the child is not forced it is likely they
> don't understand what they are doing.  
> 
> > Is all of that acceptable simply because "it's in
> > their bedroom and 
> > they aren't hurting anyone"? Where do we draw the
> > line as a society 
> > and WHY?
> 
> Good question.  I guess in each of our minds, we have
> our own line about what is acceptable and
> unacceptable.  However, in your example above we can
> conclude that the daughter who has been raised in such
> a manor as to give her father sexual pleasure IS being
> harmed, just as any child abuse will harm a child.. 
> Who is being harmed when 2 consenting same sex adults
> engage in sexual pleasure?  As I see it, no one.
> 
> > And for all of you amatuer-historians out there who
> > said past, great 
> > empires fell because religion gained a foothold you
> > have it bass-
> > ackwards:
> > 
> > Rome fell because they completely abandoned moral
> > behavior, became 
> > corrupt and decadent. Homosexuality, beastiality and
> > a general 
> > disrespect for life were rampant and public when the
> > empire fell. It 
> > has nothing to do with "religion" or "faith", simply
> > a respect for 
> > morals, ethics and life.
> 
> Huh?  Didn't the Romans convert to Catholicism at some
> point??  
> 
> Keep in mind, the Catholic church has been VERY
> powerful in recent history (1000 years).  They have
> WON a number of wars (for the purpose of spreading the
> religion), and the winner always has the advantage of
> writing history to suit their needs.
> 
> This is the same church that killed all of the
> Egyptian holy men, essentially loosing ALL of the
> history of the culture.  Heck, if it were not for the
> Rosetta stone we would have NO clue what all of the
> hieroglyphics say.  Maybe if the Catholics did not
> kill these people, and destroy all of the
> documentation we would have a good understanding of
> the people who built the pyramids and sphinx..  What
> information did they suppress?  what TRUTH did they
> hide?  My bet is, it would have been a threat to the
> power of the church.
> 
> It would be in the best interest of the church to
> blame the fall of Rome on "Homosexuality, bestiality
> and a general disrespect for life".
> 
> 
> 
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