Re: [DMCForum] Why? (For Marc)

[Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxxxxxxx>]

--- cruznmd <racuti1@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

<SNIP>
> As far as your "religion" goes, which requires
> breasts on TV etc, 
> yours (and anyone else's) right to practice their
> religion ends when 
> it harms other people.
> I, nor any court in this land
> would believe 
> that you are permanently or even temporarily harmed
> by being exposed 
> to hymns during Christian holiday periods. In fact,
> you can not even 
> prove to me that you are -forcibly- exposed to
> Christian holiday 
> music. Freedom of speech does not include yelling
> "fire" in a crowded 
> movie theater. This is a basic example that has been
> used for 
> generations in basic civics classes.

I like your example.  How is the harm of the inability
for me to escape religious music in any public place
any different than breasts on TV?  Forcibly?  no.. I
could simply stay home for 2 months to avoid the
torture of awful religious music, and all of the bible
thumper who don't want to see breasts can change the
channel.

Maybe I did not explain myself well.  The ability for
a store owner to play religious music SHOULD be
protected by the first amendment, but so should
breasts on TV.  How can you compare the image of human
body on television to yelling FIRE in a crowded
theater?  If you are offended by a naked image,
complain to the maker!  LOL

<SNIP>

> I want all you liberals to answer a question for me,
> that I honestly 
> can't seem to resolve:
> 
> If two men or women, love each other, and engage in
> sexual acts which 
> are unnatural (meaning for pleasure and not for the
> purpose of 
> perpetuating the species) and they aren't hurting
> anyone, why is it 
> not acceptable for a man to teach his daughter that
> it is ok, or 
> perhaps even a privilage for her to love him and
> pleasure him if she 
> agrees and isn't forced and isn't injured? Why is it
> not acceptable 
> for a man to engage in acts with an animal if the
> animal isn't forced?

In the case of a child, or animal, it can be concluded
that even if the child is not forced it is likely they
don't understand what they are doing.  

> Is all of that acceptable simply because "it's in
> their bedroom and 
> they aren't hurting anyone"? Where do we draw the
> line as a society 
> and WHY?

Good question.  I guess in each of our minds, we have
our own line about what is acceptable and
unacceptable.  However, in your example above we can
conclude that the daughter who has been raised in such
a manor as to give her father sexual pleasure IS being
harmed, just as any child abuse will harm a child.. 
Who is being harmed when 2 consenting same sex adults
engage in sexual pleasure?  As I see it, no one.

> And for all of you amatuer-historians out there who
> said past, great 
> empires fell because religion gained a foothold you
> have it bass-
> ackwards:
> 
> Rome fell because they completely abandoned moral
> behavior, became 
> corrupt and decadent. Homosexuality, beastiality and
> a general 
> disrespect for life were rampant and public when the
> empire fell. It 
> has nothing to do with "religion" or "faith", simply
> a respect for 
> morals, ethics and life.

Huh?  Didn't the Romans convert to Catholicism at some
point??  

Keep in mind, the Catholic church has been VERY
powerful in recent history (1000 years).  They have
WON a number of wars (for the purpose of spreading the
religion), and the winner always has the advantage of
writing history to suit their needs.

This is the same church that killed all of the
Egyptian holy men, essentially loosing ALL of the
history of the culture.  Heck, if it were not for the
Rosetta stone we would have NO clue what all of the
hieroglyphics say.  Maybe if the Catholics did not
kill these people, and destroy all of the
documentation we would have a good understanding of
the people who built the pyramids and sphinx..  What
information did they suppress?  what TRUTH did they
hide?  My bet is, it would have been a threat to the
power of the church.

It would be in the best interest of the church to
blame the fall of Rome on "Homosexuality, bestiality
and a general disrespect for life".



            
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