[DMCForum] Re: My view on Abortion.

["John Dore" <dmcjohn@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Mike,

I did offer education, instilling a sense of responsibility,  and 
adoption as a solution. 

I also pointed out that (in Ireland at least) there are not that many 
kids waiting to be adopted, less kids waiting to be adopted than 
couples looking to adopt anyway it seems. What is it like in the USA?

Are not all laws "forcing beliefs on others"? Most people accept that 
theft is wrong, so we create a law against theft which imposes most 
people's beliefs on the minority criminal element. 

Obviously a law banning abortion will not be passed in the USA 
without a majority of people supporting it. If it is ever passed, 
would you still see it as someone's beliefs being imposed on others?

I would tend to agree with you about religion - it can cause more 
problems than it ever solves.

Best wishes,
John

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Mike" <mcquinlan@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> The problem I have with this kind of thinking on abortion is that 
> you impose your belief on what is right on other but offer no help 
> in solving the problem.  I would be totally for banning all 
abortion 
> if everyone who is against it would sign up to adopt every unwanted 
> child.
> 
> I think all religion should be banned since it is one of the main 
> sources of all intolerance, fanaticism and killing in the world.  I 
> don't feel however that I have the right to impose my beliefs on 
> others.
> 
> I feel the same about abortion.  I don't like it.  My wife would 
> never have one.  I however, don't feel that it is my place force my 
> beliefs on others.  
> 
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "John Dore" <dmcjohn@xxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi lads,
> > 
> > I for one am completely against abortion at any stage of 
> pregnancy. 
> > 
> > I am not against stem cell research, as I think it is necessary 
> for 
> > finding cures to paralysis, alzheimers, etc. So, I do not have a 
> > problem with testing done on stem cells that were created in a 
> petri 
> > dish.
> > 
> > I am dead set against a fertilised egg in a womans womb being 
> > interfered with, from the moment it is fertilised. I don't know 
> how 
> > these women/couples live with themselves if they have an abortion 
> > just because the pregnancy is inconvenient for them. Of course 
> some 
> > post abortion women realise later what they have done, get 
> depression 
> > and kill themselves, another tragic waste of life.
> > 
> > Abortion is no solution. And the argument that its a womans body 
> and 
> > she can do what she chooses with it is complete rubbish. 
> > 
> > BTW just to clarify my opinions on abortion have absolutely 
> nothing 
> > to do with any God or religion.
> > 
> > Money should be spent on educating kids in school of how easy it 
> is 
> > to become pregnant, and that if they do, how to live up to their 
> > responsibilities. If they do not want to have a child in their 
> life, 
> > they should at least take as good care as possible of the child 
> > during the pregnancy and afterwards give it up for adoption. 
> > 
> > Ireland is a country where any kind of abortion is illegal, yet 
> > couples who cannot have kids have a very hard time adopting a 
> child, 
> > and often end up adoption a child from another country, Russia, 
> > China, Nigeria, etc. I don't know why they have a hard time 
> finding 
> > an Irish kid, maybe not many of them are put up for adoption, who 
> > knows. Must look into this. Anyway, I'm proud to say that no 
> > abortions are performed here. Some women do travel abroad to have 
> an 
> > abortion, which obviously we cannot control, but at least they 
are 
> > not doing it in my name.
> > 
> > You can ask any "what if" questions like "what if someone was 
> raped" 
> > or what if this or that happened - in every case, I'm completely 
> > against abortion. 
> > 
> > If I was an American Citizen, getting ready to vote last week, 
> which 
> > candidate would have been closest to my views on abortion?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > John
> > 
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Bob Brandys <BobB@xxxx> wrote:
> > > There is another aspect of public health that "right to lifers" 
> > never 
> > > talk about.
> > > 
> > > Before abortions were legal about 1/3 of pregnancies were 
> > unwanted.  
> > > 
> > > These unwanted pregnancies resulted in children that were 
abused 
> > > mentally and physically throughout their  childhood.  
> > > 
> > > Many of these children resorted to crime to get away from these 
> > hostile 
> > > homes.  This resulted in many deaths of other people, lifelong 
> > injuries 
> > > to other people and numerous people in jail for crimes that 
were 
> a 
> > > result of being unwanted pregnancies.   Well, with abortions 
now 
> > legal, 
> > >  crime related deaths are way down and so are unwanted births.
> > > 
> > > Bet, those "right to lifers" don't talk about these additional 
> > death 
> > > either. ?  
> > > 
> > > Those "other countries", legalized abortion, just for  these 
> > societal 
> > > reasons.   They have a societies that are interested in the 
> overall 
> > > public health.  Not religious extremism.  They study society 
> > problems 
> > > and then devise EFFECTIVE ways to fix them.  Not just pass 
laws!!
> > > 
> > > Remember, the religious extremists in Europe came to America to 
> > practice 
> > > there puritanical extremism.  This religious extremism 
> extends 'til 
> > > today with american legal and judicial system that incorrectly 
> > > "believes" that they can legislate correct behavior, rather 
than 
> > > motivate it.  There is so much research on the disfunctionality 
> of 
> > the 
> > > american judicial system compared to other countries it is a 
> > disgrace.
> > > 
> > > NO ISSUE IS JUST BLACK AND WHITE as the right wing religious 
> > > conservatives would have you believe.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > BOB

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