[DMCForum] Re: pre-production

["fivetwofive" <cbl302@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

And you are correct as vin 500 was the number  one car 502 was the 
second 570 was the 70th car ect ect. The point I Was making was that 
they were not sellable cars which equates to a Non-production car or 
a pre-production car,You are mistaking Protype cars with pre-prod. 
cars.Protypes are CARS before vin 500 period.But again none of those 
cars were made for selling purposes,just for whatever the company 
needed them for,and were never supposed to be released to the general 
public,or sold as Normal Production cars (vin 500-648)Non sellable 
after their intended use,just either Destroyed or used for parts.
As they were NON-PRODUCTION cars. or pre-production cars.

Hope this explaines it more Clearly
Claude








>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Dom Diaz 
>   To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>   Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 12:27 PM
>   Subject: RE: [DMCForum] pre-production
> 
> 
>   That'a fine, In your 'book' as you say, you can believe whatever 
you want 
>   the rest of us understand why 500 is called the first production 
car, it was 
>   the first in the actual production line.
> 
> 
>   >From: "fivetwofive" <cbl302@xxxx>
>   >Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>   >To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>   >Subject: [DMCForum] pre-production
>   >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:57:34 -0000
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >You are CORRECT when you say production as in going in a assembly
>   >line,BUT vin 500 up until 648 were NOT sellable cars/they were 
made
>   >to be used for factory/company purposes,the FIRST car that was 
sold
>   >was Vin 649 NOTHING before that was sold period.Again what 
happened
>   >to cars prior to 649? why do you not see them around? why are 
cars
>   >after 648 plentiful? Again it boils down to the fact that cars 
before
>   >649 were not ever meant to be sold,again not a series of  regular
>   >production car(s)
>   >  pre-prod cars are:A series of cars not meant to be sold to the
>   >general public.Which again means pre-production,of unsaleable 
cars.
>   >(500-648)Any car(or series of cars) at a beginning of production 
that
>   >cannot be sold,and have to be destroyed in my book are a pre-
>   >production car(s)Any car(s)that are saleable are production
>   >cars.which means cars produced after 648.
>   >
>   >
>   >--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "dom1172" <dom_diaz@xxxx> wrote:
>   > > VIN 500 is the first production car. Period. It's in a 
museum. It's
>   > > displayed as the first Delorean in the production line. It's
>   > > documented as the first production car. Prior to that was pre-
>   > > production. You had an early VIN. You can even say it was a 
FACTORY
>   > > car but NOT, I repeat NOT pre-production, no matter how hard 
to
>   >want
>   > > to believe it or make it true, it isn't. Period.
>   > >
>   > > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "fivetwofive" <cbl302@xxxx> 
wrote:
>   > > >
>   > > > No,The only claim I will give,is that I kept them "around" 
and in
>   > > > good shape,(ie:from being in a field somewhere turning into 
rust)
>   > > and
>   > > > keeping/from becoming parts cars/and keeping a "few" more
>   > > > Deloreans  "around" for Future generations to enjoy.
>   > > > Not non-running "stored" for Future USE,Non-running is a 
term
>   >used
>   > > > for Junkers that have been abandoned outside for the 
elements to
>   > > > DESTROY!!! In a sense the cars were in a state of suspended
>   > > > anamation!!Also said as new, NOT new,as the majority of the 
cars
>   > > were
>   > > > stored indoors and covered since the 80's and unused,a BIG
>   > > > difference,from a Delorean that was stored
>   > > outside,uncovered,unused,I
>   > > > once left a 9,000 mile Chevy Citation outside,(totaled 
parts car)
>   >to
>   > > > the elements,in ten years,of sitting parked outside,it went 
from
>   >a
>   > > > decent parts car,to scrap!! Just from the elements !!And it 
was
>   > > > only "parked" It makes a BIG Difference how the car is 
stored.
>   > > > I "think" I know something about he "history" of Deloreans 
after
>   > > more
>   > > > than 22years of Delorean Knowledge,and I STAND my ground on 
the
>   >Pre
>   > > > Vins 00648,ALL were NEVER intended FOR PUBLIC use,HENSE pre-
>   > > > production,production cars are cars who's intended use were 
TO BE
>   > > > SOLD and USED by the General PUBLIC,IF they
>   > > were "normal" "production
>   > > > cars" where are they all???????? There are ONLY Dozen or so 
of
>   >cars
>   > > > BEFORE vins 648, WHY?  Because they were destroyed (or
>   >dismanteled)
>   > > > used for parts ect ect,as the Factory NEVER classified THEM 
as
>   > > > PRODUCTION cars.The Few that are around are ONLY around
>   > > because,they
>   > > > were STILL in use BY the FACTORY,as FACTORY CARS,(ie:
>   > > > expermental,test vehicles,used by the big wigs,training 
Vehicles
>   > > ect
>   > > > ect)THEN, WHEN the Factory shut DOWN,The few that HAD NOT 
BEEN
>   > > > Destroyed, became assets for Liquidation,to pay 
creditors,BUT had
>   > > the
>   > > > factory been in production,NO PRE Vin 648 cars would be 
around
>   > > > today,as AGAIN,the factory classified them as,NON 
SELLABLE/NOT a
>   > > > NORMAL production CAR.Maybe that clears things up about the 
Pre
>   >Vin
>   > > > 648 cars.??? Again if they were "normal" production 
cars,then
>   > > PLEASE
>   > > > account for the mysterious Disappeanence,of almost all the 
cars
>   > > > BEFORE "648" WHERE ARE THEY? I can tell you-- Destroyed by 
the
>   > > > factory,as NON-sellable/ not classified as a Normal 
Production
>   >car.
>   > > > Hense PRE_PRODUCTION!!
>   > > >
>   > > > Claude
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxx> 
wrote:
>   > > > > Most of what you said is just a repeat of your last
>   > > > > message, so I have no need to respond to it again.
>   > > > >
>   > > > > In lot of parts, there was ONE new part.  ONE.
>   > > > > Everything else was obviously used.  You mislead every
>   > > > > person who read your EBay auction.  All of your "Cars"
>   > > > > we non-running.  What was there was not "installed",
>   > > > > but more just thrown on there to make the car look
>   > > > > decent.  I will give you this, the frames were clean
>   > > > > and had been stored inside all these years....  Still
>   > > > > makes me wonder why the heck you took ALL of those
>   > > > > cars apart!
>   > > > >
>   > > > > it has been established, 570 is NOT pre-production.
>   > > > > Early, yes..  But that adds no value to it at all.
>   > > > > Maybe if it ran it would be worth a bit more?  I am
>   > > > > sure Rob will need to invest a lot more time and parts
>   > > > > in to those cars than he expected for him to put his
>   > > > > stamp of approval on it...  When those cars find a new
>   > > > > happy owner, will you claim it is your skill that made
>   > > > > those cars what they are (as you do with the other
>   > > > > one)??  or at least give Rob credit for taking a pile
>   > > > > of parts and making it in to a real car?
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > > --- fivetwofive <cbl302@xxxx> wrote:
>   > > > > <SNIP>
>   > > > > > Dissapointed ??? AT LEAST 60% of the parts were as
>   > > > > > NEW or LIKE
>   > > > > > new,ALL had PERFECT dashes
>   > > > > > one car had 2,000 miles,one had 9,000 miles,one had
>   > > > > > 22,000 and one
>   > > > > > had 32,000,and ALL WERE STORED INDOORS SINCE the
>   > > > > > 1980's,IT was a
>   > > > > > DELOREAN LOVERS DREAM FIND!! AND THE cream on the
>   > > > > > cake was he got a
>   > > > > > Pre-Prod. Car to BOOT!!!!! (vin# 570)(The first cars
>   > > > > > sold to the
>   > > > > > general public were vins in the  600 range)AFTER THE
>   > > > > > FACTORY SHUT
>   > > > > > DOWN ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE,and everything that had
>   > > > > > market value was
>   > > > > > sold,including any cars under the 600 VIN
>   > > > > > numbers,otherwise you would
>   > > > > > NOT SEE any cars under the sub 600 vins around
>   > > > > > today!! A SUPER SUPER
>   > > > > > SUPER deal,that nobody could resist.THIS IS MY LAST
>   > > > > > COMMENT ON THIS
>   > > > > > UNLESS YOU INSIST ON DRAGGING THIS FURTHER IN THE
>   > > > > > MUD.THEN you will
>   > > > > > leave me no choice but to reply.
>   > > > > <SNIP>
>   > > > >
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