You are just fuckin stupid to truly believe you have a prototype and a liar to sell your shit for more money, take your POS Bricklin and go elsewhere. Hey is your Bricklin a prototype too? Mark 6683 PROTOTYPE now my car is worth more money, i declare from this day on its a prototype. Here read this from James Espey's last post.... I've extensively researched the history of prototypes and know a fair amount about them as well as the pre-production cars. Here goes...the first prototype with the Citroen 4 cylinder engine is in a private collection in Nevada. It is the subject of a feature article in an upcoming issue of "deloreans". The owner is proud of the car, but very protective. I don't expect we will see the car publicly displayed in the near future. But I'm working on him. :-) The second prototype was sent off to Lotus for "evaluation". This car never returned to the states and I went to Lotus last year (at their invitation on another matter) and spoke to several people about it. Everyone was in agreement that it was destroyed in the late 1990's. Photos of that era show it seemingly abandoned and in VERY poor condition. Dozens of prototypes were built at built at Lotus (cars with fiberglass bodies) and destroyed or disassembled according to sources at Lotus. I believe all the pre-production cars were built at Dunmurry (in the late months of 1980 as production loomed). They were numbered, a prefixed with a "D". One would imagine they started at "D01", but no documentation has surfaced to prove that. There is documentation (dated 12/31/81) of the existence of cars numbered D19, D20, D21, and D28. These are referred to on different documents as "pilot builds" or "engineering mules". Two or three of these pre- production cars have survived - the one on the DMC-News web site which I believe is D28 (current whereabouts unknown) and Sascha Skucek's car (sorry if I spelled your name wrong). I think we determined that Sascha's car is D20. Based on the dates of that document, I am inclined to think that only those four pre-production cars came to the states, the rest having stayed in Dunmurry. Between late Jan 1981 and April 1981, several hundred (the actual number is unknown at this time) of what's come to be called the "black cars" were built. Exactly what became of these cars is unknown as well. Regular production started at VIN #500, though the first 60 were not intended for retail sale, and a document exists saying that there was to be no warranty coverage on those cars. SSI says production started in April, but several cars exist with build dates of March. The earliest documented retail sale VIN is 635, the first known public sale was June 17, 1981 in Beverly Hills, CA (VIN 910). I doubt any cars were sold retail prior to that date, as cars didn't arrive in the US until early June of 1981. We all know there are lower VIN's in private hands now, though most (if not all) can be established as having previously been company cars originally, and were only sold later as company finances deteriorated and they were forced to sell those cars. Those cars were sold through a company called "Chestnut Fleet Leasing" and these cars are sometimes referred to as the "Chestnut Fleet" cars. James Espey DMC (Texas) On Friday, December 19, 2003, at 10:26 AM, fivetwofive wrote: > Now to add my 2 cents worth,here's my reply, > The factory begain producing cars for DEALER shipment in June of > 1981,prior to that,there was a series of cars Vin # 000520 thru > 000648 that were HAND ASSEMBLED and shipped to the USA.There were > approximately 40 in number.These autos were for the factory > executives,trade shows EPA and DOT.To the Best of my knowledge only a > few(appox a dozen or so) of these cars survived.The balance were > crashed tested,destroyed > or disassembled for parts.They were NEVER destined to be sold to the > general public My car has a vin tag showing a date of March 1981.As > ALL cars HAVE to have VIN#'s this was probably done in March prior to > shipping to the States.There are possibly several pre-prod.prototype > cars in the US.or worldwide,BUT in the 22yeras I have been into > Deloreans,I have only information on maybe a total of 10-12( possibly > a few more that I am not aware of). WORLDWIDE with vin's below vin# > 648,as the FIRST car that was sold to the General public was Vin # > 000649.The #1 and #2 prototypes were sold in the fall of 1984 AT > auction in California.Neither of the autos was in drivable > condition,being damaged and with parts missing.The #1 ptototype > purchased by Bill Yaccobozzi,sold for $37K.The #2 prototype,purchased > by Don Williams,sold for $21K. > As for my car Vin#000570,it was assigned as a "training car"(after > BEING HAND assembled) and then was assigned to a K.Rzemek,as it was > never intended/nor was it EVER sent to a DMC car > delearship,again,this car(00570)was NEVER intended to be "sold" > except for the fact of the DMC's need for cash/ collaspe,saved it > from it's fate of doom.Again in my 22years of keeping a interest in > Deloreans,I have ONLY come across about a dozen cars(worldwide) > Between vins 520-648. If they were "regular production cars",then > just answer this Question--Where are all these(128 cars) missing cars- > -- You would think since they were the first "dealer sold cars" as > some people would think,then they should be easy to find.(remember > the first Dealer sold cars WERE HOT HOT HOT,and were going for in > excess of $32K) As I went to my nearest Delorean Delearship,back > then,and SAW the STICKER myself,and was SHOCKED at the time to SEE > $32K for a window sticker price,as a NEW corvette at the Time FULLY > LOADED was going for $16-17K.If indeed as some people say that Vin > 500 up were "production cars" at $32K for these "first cars" then > they would have been treated like "gold" and NOT be Forever "missing" > which again leads to only one direction,disassembly/or destroyed. > Also the > true "first" Delorean prototype Delorean was not EVEN a Delorean,it > was a FIAT X/19 (a pic/stoty is shown of it in SSI)So that the two > orignal > prototypes are cars 2 and 3(Besides the X/19 P.T. 2 and 3 were the > ONLY AMERICAN built Deloreans,all others were built overseas) was? on > the list. > Also to back up what I am > saying I have Documents to prove/backup my words.One more thing I am > the second owner of 00570 the first owner got it from a company that > was a liquidator of some kind, for DMC excess inventory(ie:items that > COULD NOT be sold thru regular channels)(this is what the first owner > told me,as I located him in N.J.) They(DMC) needed cash,but could not > sell the cars(vins 520-648) thru normal Dealer channels/networks,for > liability reasons,as these cars again were NEVER intended to be sent > to/thru the new car dealerships > Ferrai TODAY does the same thing with their new production Prototype > Ferraris(except they will never release or sell those cars(or any > parts off those cars) in any manner,no matter how much money you > throw at them)if you go to the Ferrari factory,somewhere in the > corner of the factory grounds,you will FIND MILLIONS and Millions of > Dollars worth of Ferrais,crushed or stacked 3 or 4 high one on top of > each other,it just would make you sick to see testerossas,GTO's and > F-50's,and some of their "lesser cars" stacked one on top of the > other.(I HAVE PICS somewhere,of these stacked Ferraris)And a start-up > Company like DMC was following the same path(or > at least disassembling,these early cars)but like any company that > needed/strapped for cash,you sell off what ever you can,that is where > my car and others like mine had their chance,to escape their fate.If > I am wrong please correct my facts. > > Claude > 00570 > > P.S.Some of my facts were gleened from DMC factory Documents, and DW > and previous owners,and Consolidated Leasing,and California Tech > Center. > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DMCForum-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > <image.tiff> > > <image.tiff> > > Yahoo! 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