[DMCForum] Re: the EV1... vs Diesel

["jonheese" <jonheese@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Seriously?  Are you for real with this?

I don't want to reply to this until I'm sure you're not joking...

Regards,
Jon Heese

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "timnagin" <timnagin@...> wrote:
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> >Why do we need to stop using oil? Uhhh... because it contributes to
> >atmospheric carbon, water pollution, acid rain, (potentially) global
> >warming trends, government and corporate corruption (although, to be
> >fair, that's not the technology's fault), it's horribly "unclean" when
> >compared to "alternate" energy sources, it's non-renewable and
> >dwindling, and it's not the only thing out there anymore...
> 
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> So does your breathing, eating and moose farts.  You stated exactly
what I
> did, in that anything else that comes along to replace Big Oil is
going to
> have the same thing happen - government and corporate corruption. 
Getting
> rid of oil will not solve those last two.
> 
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> >I'm not sure what using exclusively domestic oil will do, except lower
> >domestic petroleum prices, impact the environment in some of the
> >proposed drilling sites, and create domestic jobs. None of these
> >effects address any of my concerns (in a positive way).
> 
> 
> Lowering domestic petroleum prices and creating jobs wouldn't be a good
> thing?  Any new source of energy is going to have an environmental
impact
> unless we find a ZPM.
> 
> 
> >Still, in order to be considered "renewable", an energy source must
> >not be depletable. That is, in the case of a physical fuel, it must
> >be produced faster than it is consumed. If the earth (or more
> >accurately, its collection of dead life-forms) is producing fossil
> >fuels faster than we consume them, this is shocking news to me. I
> >would be very interested in reading that study.
> 
> 
> You contradicted yourself here.  If it is renewable it is renewable.
 We may
> be consuming it faster than it can create itself, but it is
renewing.  If it
> is, then it takes no action from us to do so like planting trees
which means
> our total carbon impact is less.  To plant trees we need trucks and
tools
> and people, plus all of the things associated with making those work.  I
> will have to look for the study I read and post a link.  It's been
awhile.
> 
> 
> >Furthermore, even if this were true, and fossil fuels were now
> >consider renewable, there are plenty of very compelling reasons to NOT
> >use it, as I mentioned already above. Its growing scarcity is the
> >only thing guaranteed to ween us off it, but it's the least compelling
> >reason in my mind for us to look to other energy sources.
> 
> 
> As I mentioned before, if the scarcity is the only thing keeping us from
> implementing other sources then we should use it up as fast as
possible to
> force a change.  As long as it is cheaper to use oil we will
continue to do
> so.  It's very basic economics.
> 
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