All: I am forwarding this message on behalf of Marc Levy due to the fact that he can no longer post here without moderation (see message below for details on why). I personally do not follow the forums closely and the facts, topics, and views in the following message are Marc's and not my own. <Snip --- FROM MARC --- Snip> > Forum Members: > > What has Walt's "Freedom of speech" forum become? > > Please read this entire message. I know it is long > winded. > > Most of us here joined an UN-MODERATED mailing list > for DeLorean owners and enthusiasts. Things were > going well until Walt made a critical mistake. He > entrusted Greg with the power of "ownership" in the > list. This mistake later resulted in Greg removing > Walt as a member, and action which was never > discussed > with Walt. Greg essentially "took over" the list on > his own. Walt wrote to me about this and said > "looks > like Greg has fucked me too". > > No one much noticed, or cared. Walt was not > participating much in the list, and Greg continued > to > run things the way they had always been... Until > one > day he decided we were loosing too many members (in > HIS opinion) when the list got on to a non-DeLorean > topic. Specifically, Politics and Religion. What > to > do? September 15. 2005 he created 2 polls asking > the > members their opinion on allowing politics and > religion on the forum. The polls can be found at: > > <http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/surveys?id=1335588> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/surveys?id=1335588 > > <http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/surveys?id=1335590> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/surveys?id=1335590 > > I, Being a moderator of the list, was vocal against > any censorship or rules that limited free speech. > > As all of this was happening, Greg decided to make > Ryan a moderator. Seemed like a good choice, being > that they tended to be on the "same side" of most of > our discussions. > > So, the vote is called based on Ryan's > interpretation: > We will not allow politics and religion, and he > came > up with a set of "rules". > > <http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/message/30562> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/message/30562 > > Shortly after, I was banned for having a discussion > ABOUT the rules. There was no discussion of > religion > or politics, but as soon as I publicly disagreed > with > Ryan and Greg I was booted off. > > > I reluctantly returned to the Forum, through much > persuasion of other members. > > So, a few months later here we go again! > > Ryan is not happy with simply ruling the DMC Forum, > He > wants to rule all internet communications about > DeLoreans. So much so, that he HAS abused his > current > power to again censor the outspoken (in this case, > me). Without warning, he removed my ability to post > to the list. > > My "rule braking" message can be found here: > > <http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/message/34107> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/message/34107 > > I am not sure where in that message there is > discussion of religion, or politics. But, does it > matter? > > More importantly, why did Ryan not follow his OWN > RULES: > > "... > > Discussions that the moderators deem inappropriate > will be handled as > follows: > > 1. A public warning will be posted in the relevant > thread. > 2. Members who ignore the warning may be subject to > a > brief revocation of posting privileges. > 3. Continued violations will be handled on a case by > case basis. > 4. In the interest of full disclosure, moderator > actions will be posted to the list. > > ..." > > > No "public warning" was posted on this matter. > > Since there was no warning, there was none to > ignore, > therefore this action is against established policy. > > **** The actions taken by Ryan have not been posted > to > the list, "In the interest of full disclosure". Why > should he? He is simply using his power to silence > me. > > So, now that you all know what is going on... > > Frankly, I can just go away again. The mailing list > is just a form of entertainment. It is not critical > or even necessary. The point of me taking the time > to > write this is so there is a record of what went > on... > And if at any point in the future someone considers > moving to any forum run by Ryan, they know who they > are dealing with. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DMCForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DMCForum-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/