[DMCForum] Re: Hybrid question for Dr. Dave - Paging Dr. Dave...

["twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Well.

Hopefully your gain/(cost+risk) analysis show's it's worth doing for 
you.  It would be cool to have such a car in existence. 

Converting cars to be electrical can be done, and done well.  Your EV 
newsgroup sounds like a good source of info and encouragement. 

If you make one, it will probably be pretty fast, in addition to 
being ridiculously cool and quiet.  I doubt there's a Delorean in 
existence that can match the acceleration of a nicely made electrical 
Delorean during that first 1 second.

Rick.

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx> wrote:
> Eh..I'm doing it for a few reasons...
> 
> I'm working on a "no-sh$t" cost/risk vs. gain analysis right now.
> 
> I'm pricing high output solar panels and various types of 
batteries, 
> from lead acid to NiCad, NiMh and Li-Ion with Lithium Ion being the 
> most expensive but weighing the least and having the greatest 
> capacity.
> 
> Needless to say, I've found a very active EV car newsgroup that is 
> already providing info on parts support and ideas.
> 
> I'll try to provide a white-paper report soon on what it costs me 
to 
> operate the DMC-12 vs. the little EV I'm looking at and how soon 
> I'll recoup my investment.
> 
> Rich A.
> #5335
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "twinenginedmc12" 
> <twinenginedmc12@xxxx> wrote:
> > Hello.
> > 
> > It sounds ambitious.  If you're actually doing it to save money, 
> it 
> > might end up being a stretch.  On the other hand, you might 
figure 
> > out a cost-effective way of doing it which would surely generate 
> > widespread attention.  It sure will have a high "coolness factor" 
> > though, not matter what.  "This sucker's electrical"... Doc 
Brown, 
> > BTTF.  (Please forgive me if I misquoted him).
> > 
> > Rick.
> > 
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Hey Rick,
> > > 
> > > Basically, I'm just investigating different options to get me 
to 
> > the 
> > > Metro every day. Bio-diesel? Hybrid? Pure electric?
> > > 
> > > Everyone presents valid concerns, ie the "energy chain" extra 
> cost 
> > of 
> > > household electricity to charge the hybrid, + fuel etc...
> > > 
> > > I have a 28-ish mile round trip commute. I have spoken with 
Dave 
> > > Delman. We're having interesting conversations regarding the 
> cost 
> > of 
> > > KW hours vs. the current price of gasoline which is just going 
> up, 
> > > up, up. I also happen to think that the price of electricty 
> depends 
> > > on who your utility company is, and what they use to provide 
> > > electricity. A nuclear or hydro powerplant has little increased 
> > costs 
> > > as petroleum costs rise. A coal-fired plant experiences some 
> > > increased costs because as I've observed here, diesel loco's 
> haul 
> > the 
> > > coal to the plant and there is the cost of diesel to consider. 
> > Either 
> > > way, the cost of an electric charge is not going to outpace the 
> > cost 
> > > of gasoline or diesel. Already too many people are fighting 
over 
> > > diesels for the bio conversion. People are paying quite a bit 
of 
> > > money for junker diesels on Ebay. You can also blunt the cost 
of 
> > > charging your vehicle with home solar systems. Charge a bank of 
> > > batteries in your basement with solar panels on your roof 
and/or 
> a 
> > > small wind-mill, then plug the car into that. It'll then cost 
> less 
> > > grid-provided juice to charge the car. Even building only one 
EV 
> > for 
> > > me or my wife will reduce our bill significantly. I'm looking 
at 
> a 
> > > 400-500$ savings annually at current prices without the home 
> > > solar/wind systems.
> > > 
> > > I found an EV trading website with a converted Bradley GT II. 
> $5k 
> > and 
> > > boy is it pretty! I'm also looking at a little EV utility van. 
> I'm 
> > > considering aiding the charging by putting a huge solar panel 
on 
> > it's 
> > > large roof to at least trickle charge it for the 10 hours a day 
> > that 
> > > it'll be sitting at the Metro parking lot. 
> > > 
> > > This is all fast and loose. Nothing hard or on paper yet. And 
> > > (sigh)...yes, I would like to pollute less. I'm no tree-hugger 
> but 
> > > when a foreigner complains about what a wasteful bunch we are 
> and 
> > can 
> > > tell him to shut his pie-hole. Like Vixen Dave says, RRR. I'll 
> fix 
> > up 
> > > a used EV perhaps..
> > > 
> > > Rich
> > > 
> > > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "twinenginedmc12" 
> > > <twinenginedmc12@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > Hi Rich.
> > > > 
> > > > I know I'm not Dave, but I do have some experience with 
this.  
> > It's 
> > > not 
> > > > too complicated, but it will be a little expensive but you 
> > probably 
> > > > already know that.  You'll probably end up putting them in 
> series 
> > > to 
> > > > minimize losses, and have each battery monitored with little 
> > sense 
> > > > lines that connect to a charge controller ($$).  This is a 
> common 
> > > way 
> > > > of doing it with NiCd batteries.  I suspect that Li Ion 
> batteries 
> > > are 
> > > > done similarly.  
> > > > 
> > > > I can't wait to see what cool thing you're making.  I hope 
you 
> > > don't 
> > > > let anybody talk you out of it, and try not to electrocute 
> > yourself.
> > > > 
> > > > Rick Gendreau
> > > > 
> > > >  --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx> 
> wrote:
> > > > > Dave,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I recently read about hybrid hot-rodders who are installing 
> > small 
> > > > > stacks of Li-ion batteries in their hybrids for extended 
> > mileage- 
> > > > > anywhere from 80 to 250. They plug 'em in at home to charge 
> > them 
> > > each 
> > > > > day. When the spare batteries drain, the normal hybrid 
> action 
> > > kicks 
> > > > in 
> > > > > and mileage drops to the car's advertised rating.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Do you think you could figure out how to wire these 
> batteries 
> > in 
> > > if 
> > > > > someone asked you to?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Rich A.
> > > > > #5335

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