[DMCForum] Re: Hybrid question for Dr. Dave - Paging Dr. Dave...

["cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Eh..I'm doing it for a few reasons...

I'm working on a "no-sh$t" cost/risk vs. gain analysis right now.

I'm pricing high output solar panels and various types of batteries, 
from lead acid to NiCad, NiMh and Li-Ion with Lithium Ion being the 
most expensive but weighing the least and having the greatest 
capacity.

Needless to say, I've found a very active EV car newsgroup that is 
already providing info on parts support and ideas.

I'll try to provide a white-paper report soon on what it costs me to 
operate the DMC-12 vs. the little EV I'm looking at and how soon 
I'll recoup my investment.

Rich A.
#5335

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "twinenginedmc12" 
<twinenginedmc12@xxxx> wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> It sounds ambitious.  If you're actually doing it to save money, 
it 
> might end up being a stretch.  On the other hand, you might figure 
> out a cost-effective way of doing it which would surely generate 
> widespread attention.  It sure will have a high "coolness factor" 
> though, not matter what.  "This sucker's electrical"... Doc Brown, 
> BTTF.  (Please forgive me if I misquoted him).
> 
> Rick.
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx> wrote:
> > Hey Rick,
> > 
> > Basically, I'm just investigating different options to get me to 
> the 
> > Metro every day. Bio-diesel? Hybrid? Pure electric?
> > 
> > Everyone presents valid concerns, ie the "energy chain" extra 
cost 
> of 
> > household electricity to charge the hybrid, + fuel etc...
> > 
> > I have a 28-ish mile round trip commute. I have spoken with Dave 
> > Delman. We're having interesting conversations regarding the 
cost 
> of 
> > KW hours vs. the current price of gasoline which is just going 
up, 
> > up, up. I also happen to think that the price of electricty 
depends 
> > on who your utility company is, and what they use to provide 
> > electricity. A nuclear or hydro powerplant has little increased 
> costs 
> > as petroleum costs rise. A coal-fired plant experiences some 
> > increased costs because as I've observed here, diesel loco's 
haul 
> the 
> > coal to the plant and there is the cost of diesel to consider. 
> Either 
> > way, the cost of an electric charge is not going to outpace the 
> cost 
> > of gasoline or diesel. Already too many people are fighting over 
> > diesels for the bio conversion. People are paying quite a bit of 
> > money for junker diesels on Ebay. You can also blunt the cost of 
> > charging your vehicle with home solar systems. Charge a bank of 
> > batteries in your basement with solar panels on your roof and/or 
a 
> > small wind-mill, then plug the car into that. It'll then cost 
less 
> > grid-provided juice to charge the car. Even building only one EV 
> for 
> > me or my wife will reduce our bill significantly. I'm looking at 
a 
> > 400-500$ savings annually at current prices without the home 
> > solar/wind systems.
> > 
> > I found an EV trading website with a converted Bradley GT II. 
$5k 
> and 
> > boy is it pretty! I'm also looking at a little EV utility van. 
I'm 
> > considering aiding the charging by putting a huge solar panel on 
> it's 
> > large roof to at least trickle charge it for the 10 hours a day 
> that 
> > it'll be sitting at the Metro parking lot. 
> > 
> > This is all fast and loose. Nothing hard or on paper yet. And 
> > (sigh)...yes, I would like to pollute less. I'm no tree-hugger 
but 
> > when a foreigner complains about what a wasteful bunch we are 
and 
> can 
> > tell him to shut his pie-hole. Like Vixen Dave says, RRR. I'll 
fix 
> up 
> > a used EV perhaps..
> > 
> > Rich
> > 
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "twinenginedmc12" 
> > <twinenginedmc12@xxxx> wrote:
> > > Hi Rich.
> > > 
> > > I know I'm not Dave, but I do have some experience with this.  
> It's 
> > not 
> > > too complicated, but it will be a little expensive but you 
> probably 
> > > already know that.  You'll probably end up putting them in 
series 
> > to 
> > > minimize losses, and have each battery monitored with little 
> sense 
> > > lines that connect to a charge controller ($$).  This is a 
common 
> > way 
> > > of doing it with NiCd batteries.  I suspect that Li Ion 
batteries 
> > are 
> > > done similarly.  
> > > 
> > > I can't wait to see what cool thing you're making.  I hope you 
> > don't 
> > > let anybody talk you out of it, and try not to electrocute 
> yourself.
> > > 
> > > Rick Gendreau
> > > 
> > >  --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx> 
wrote:
> > > > Dave,
> > > > 
> > > > I recently read about hybrid hot-rodders who are installing 
> small 
> > > > stacks of Li-ion batteries in their hybrids for extended 
> mileage- 
> > > > anywhere from 80 to 250. They plug 'em in at home to charge 
> them 
> > each 
> > > > day. When the spare batteries drain, the normal hybrid 
action 
> > kicks 
> > > in 
> > > > and mileage drops to the car's advertised rating.
> > > > 
> > > > Do you think you could figure out how to wire these 
batteries 
> in 
> > if 
> > > > someone asked you to?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > 
> > > > Rich A.
> > > > #5335

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