[DMCForum] Re: Marc, and DMCH.

["Joe OBrien" <joeyoseppijoe@xxxxxxxxx>]

You didn't realise that Marc was SonnyV all this time? Jeesh man, 
pay attention.


Joe




--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Nun Yah" <joshp1986@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> Call me stupid!!! Marc, are you SonnyV? I was trying to catch up 
on 
> it but fell asleep reading all the messages. It's the ADD kicking 
> in ;-)I see a bug on the monitor and I chase it like white on rice.
> 
> Josh
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxx> wrote:
> > WOW!  What a surprise.  Stian and others flood the DML
> > with a bunch of pro-DMCH messages..  One in particular
> > attacking me...  and all of a sudden they decide to
> > kill the thread.  Hmm, Nothing fishy going on here??
> > 
> > Of course, my response specific questions asked of me
> > by Stian were "silently rejected", like so many of my
> > other posts of recent weeks...  In the old days they
> > were at least respectful enough to reject my message
> > with a notification.
> > 
> > But.. People like Stian are probably OK with this,
> > because the DML does such a good job in.... well...
> > whatever the hell they do..  Lucky for me the DML is
> > not the only game in town.
> > 
> > It makes me think, maybe we should create a
> > DMCForum-OT list for our non-DeLorean discussions in
> > an effort to make the DMCForum a more legitimate
> > alternative to the DML.
> > __________________________
> > 
> > Your post below is similar to one by SonnyV not too
> > long ago.
> > 
> > See Below.
> > 
> > --- Stian Birkeland <delorean@xxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > <SNIP>
> > > 
> > > Do you have a personal vendetta against DMC Houston
> > > and James Espey?
> > 
> > No, not at all.
> > 
> > > Have they ever done you wrong? 
> > 
> > Nope.  I purchased a few items from DMCH shortly after
> > they took possession of the KPAC property.  Never had
> > a problem with those items.
> > 
> > > It seems you don't like them very much. Would you
> > > care to elaborate 
> > > to us why this is so?
> > 
> > I do like them.  On the few occasions I have met James
> > and Stephen in person, I think they have been helpful,
> > polite, and respectful.  The facts brought up in this
> > discussion are valid, that they have been a driving
> > force in the reproduction of previously unavailable or
> > expensive parts.
> > 
> > The negative facts still remain, and should not be
> > ignored.  
> > 
> > > You may get your parts elsewhere now, but in the
> > > long run, DMC 
> > > Houston is the place and the future of our DeLorean
> > > hobby (also 
> > > yours) whether you like it or not - or are you so
> > > confident in 
> > > yourself that you're thinking you won't ever need
> > > any parts and that 
> > > you can get them elsewhere? 
> > 
> > So, your saying it is OK for them to conduct
> > themselves in a deceptive manor, simply because they
> > have the largest inventory of parts?   You are
> > thinking that they will put the other DeLorean vendors
> > out of business?
> >  
> > > All the DeLorean Parts Suppliers either have a
> > > left-over parts 
> > > inventory from former DMC Dealerships or they order
> > > their parts 
> > > directly from - yes - DMC Houston!
> > 
> > Yes, this is how they get away with what they do.  The
> > other vendors really can't complain about DMCH.  But,
> > that does not make it right.  
> > 
> > > Your intentions are not quite as noble as they might
> > > seem at first, 
> > > or as noble and honest as you would like them to be.
> > 
> > It is unfair of you, or anyone to make conclusions
> > about my intentions.  There is no motivation behind my
> > posts other than to make otherwise unknown information
> > available to the community.  The feedback I have
> > received has been positive.  In the end, maybe DMCH
> > will change the way they conduct business, and you too
> > will benefit.
> > 
> > > When I read 
> > > previous posts from you, and also a long time before
> > > you went public 
> > > with the SonnyV profile, I catch myself thinking 
> > > 
> > > "Why is he out to get DMC Houston?" 
> > 
> > Again, I'm not.  I have "picked on" other people. 
> > Just ask Video Bob...  James was a big fan of my
> > messages pointing out what was bothering me about Bob.
> >  Why am I correct in my observations on Bob, but not
> > DMCH? 
> > 
> > You may see me as out to get DMCH because they provide
> > the most "material" (for lack of a better word).  The
> > set off the alarm in my head more often than any of
> > the others.
> > 
> > > I also have this feeling that you get a kick out of
> > > being a nit-
> > > picker. You'll probably answer me that it's my
> > > problem, but is it now?
> > 
> > Kick?  No.  I refer to is as a sickness.  When will
> > they have a pill to cure it?  Life would be a lot
> > simpler for me if I did not care about things like
> > this.
> > 
> > > I don't like the DML to be a place where persons
> > > more or 
> > > less "attack" a vendor. We (the owners) and they
> > > co-exist. One cannot 
> > > live without the other.
> > 
> > Attack?  No.  I have just pointed out facts and
> > observations about things.  Can you provide an example
> > of me attacking a vendor?
> > 
> > > By all means - I'm not saying that you shouldn't
> > > have posted the truth
> > > about the fake SonnyV profile, still - my basic
> > 
> > So, it was OK to point out SonnyV, but not the META
> > tags?  What about the longer door struts which were
> > breaking mounts?  How about the invalid claims on the
> > DMC logo? Or maybe it was the inaccurate information
> > in the Concours manual?  All Truth, so why is it so
> > awful it I make it known?
> > 
> > > feeling is that you 
> > > don't like DMC Houston at all. 
> > 
> > Again, Not true..  I continue to question many of the
> > things they do, and have done.
> > 
> > > How appropriate then to dig out some more dirt to
> > > stain their 
> > > stainless... The question then is - Why do you do
> > > it? or Why bother?
> > 
> > DIG? No digging has ever been involved, I assure you..
> >  Why bother?  Because it is important for people to
> > know the truth.  Like a consumer advocate would. 
> > Again, it is my sickness.  Oh, and your welcome..
> > 
> > > Of course, if I'm wrong about you, I hereby do
> > > apologize publicly.
> > 
> > Wrong or right, you posted this publicly and it will
> > help for all readers to form opinions of me based on
> > your personal interpretations.  Maybe the next time I
> > point out some fact about DMCH, you (and others) will
> > say "Oh, it is from Marc.. that guy just has a bone to
> > pick with DMCH".  Even if you think I have been doing
> > this for all these years because of a vendetta against
> > DMCH (which is NOT the case), it does not change the
> > true facts I have presented to this group.  Again,
> > your welcome.
> > 
> > I have to ask why a message of personal nature like
> > this was permitted on the list...  but, it was.  So I
> > will respond on the list.
> > 
> > > Now, DMC Houston have apologized for the SonnyV
> > > profile.
> > 
> > Apologized?  I don't feel it was honest.  They are not
> > sorry they were deceptive, just sorry that James
> > mis-signed a message which led to the deception being
> > discovered (NOT by me, BTW).
> > 
> > > Please accept that Mr. Levy and also the rest of
> > > this list.
> > > Perhaps you owe DMC Houston an apology for being
> > > annoying?
> > 
> > If you find me annoying, use your delete key.. Even
> > better, many modern e-mail clients allow you to filter
> > mail.  Feel free to dump any messages from me if you
> > so choose.
> > 
> > As far as what DMCH thinks of me, if I had said
> > anything false about them I am sure a letter from
> > their lawyer would have been sent over night fed-ex to
> > my door with a cease and desist.  
> > 
> > > Moderators - please stop this SonnyV thread once and
> > > for all and
> > > let's get back to DML's core value - our DeLoreans!
> > 
> > Stop the thread? But who gets the last word?? 
> > 
> > If you want a thread to end, don't respond to it.
> > 
> > Yup.. Lets get back to talking about tires AGAIN, or
> > oil AGAIN, or insurance AGAIN...  No one cares about
> > discussions about the quality of our vendors?
> > 
> > > Sonny V or not - The truth is that DMC Houston is
> > > our best guarantee 
> > > for DeLorean specific parts in the future, either
> > > stock or re-made.
> > 
> > And therefore we should allow them to be deceptive?? 
> > I don't think so.
> > 
> > <SNIP>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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