[DMCForum] Re: Smoking..

["therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxxxxx>]

I may have missed it, Jack, but luckily, I have a reply! :)

You don't have to be an attractive female to work in a strip club. Infact, you don't even 
have to be female. But to clear something up, there are allot more risks involved in 
working in a strip club. Let's say some customer gets rowdy, and a couple of bouncers 
*kindly* escourt this person out. And in the process, they happen to use Pepper Spray, or 
some other sort of chemical agent in their task of subduing him/her. Pepper Spray has a 
nice tendancy to waft upwards twords the celing. This means that while some poor dancer 
up on an elevated stage swings around on the pole, she is going to get blinded because 
her eyes start to water and sting. Worst case senario, she trips over the 6" spiked, clear 
heels she's wearing, flys off stage, breaks her neck on a table, and dies. A bit better case 
senario, her eyes water, and no one wants to get a lapdance from a weeping stripper, thus 
she loses a bit of income for the night. We could play this kind of senario all night, but you 
see that tobacco smoke is the least of her worrries.

But, you do bring up a good point here. What about people whom work in enviornments 
where they inadvertnently come into contact with tobacco smoke? OSHA has no standards 
concerning tobacco smoke, and indoor qir quality, and there is no nationwide ban on 
smoking in casinos or bars. So, since there are no MSDS guidelines, it isn't a hazard. I also 
want to say that in the tobacco settlement with all states, they had to pass guidelines that 
no lawsuits (class action or otherwise) could be brought agaisnt them.

Which by the way, I'd just like to point out that all those people who cared so much about 
tobacco users who got various forms of cancer from their habits, were bigger liars and 
hypocrites of all. Once these people hit the tobacco companies finacially, and got their 
hands on the settlement funds, many states pissed were allowed by them to simply piss 
away the funds on various unrelated state projects, while the people whos cancer 
treatment the funds were earmarked for, were left to die painful, aggonizing deaths from 
their diseases in said states.

Now as for those workers who are apart of the Service Industry, where they come into 
contact with smoke from tobacco consumers... Well, all I can say is that if you do not like 
the enviornment in which you work, then leave. A casino is totally different from a 
commercial office. Why? Simple: Interacting with patrons who smoke, and working in an 
enviornment where tobacco smoke is present is apart of your job duties. If you think being 
an exotic dancer is demeaning, then don't get on stage. If you cannot tolerate strong 
offensive odors, then don't be a garbage man. To take this even further, there are a 
number of jobs in which you are exposed to carcenogens, and mutagens that can be far 
worse than cigarette smoke. Lube tech (used motor oil will cause cancer in lab mice), 
vehicle emissions inspector, crossing guard, any kind of mechanic, taxi driver, the list can 
go on, and on. And besides, with these types of carrer fields, they do not really appeal 
those who are objectional to what they might *percieve* as having *detrimental* working 
conditions. And if someone, such as a dealer in a casino were to have objections, then 
what's the big deal about moving onto another carrer? If they consider this their 
"livelyhood" then why did they invest so much in it to begin with?

The reason that I take such a stance on the issue of smoking & personal rights, is because 
I have a vested interest. No, I don't smoke, nor do I own stock in any tobacco companies. 
But if stupid shit like the banning of smoking in casinos and bars were to pass nationwide, 
it would only be a matter of time before other groups with their own shortsighted political 
agendas try to impose their values upon me, for other things that do actually affect me 
ddirectly. And collector car operation is one such item, such as what we've seen in 
California this past year. What if one day I can't drive legally drive my DeLorean on the 
street, because it doesn't meet modern safety standards, such as having airbags? That may 
seem like a far-fetched idea, but allot of enviornmental groups in California are already 
trying to reduce pollution, by restricting the milage that can be driven on classic cars, 
regardless of registration type. And that acheives nothing but the punish some people by 
expressing what they want to drive.

Also, Las Vegas has gone thru MANY changes in the past few years. The "family 
destination" image has been dumped. Allot of the huge arcades, and other items to attract 
tourists with children have been ripped out. Las Vegas is finally becoming the Playground 
for Adults that it was always meant to be, again.

Now, as for the offensiveness of people who wear excess colognes & perfumes not posing 
a health hazard to people, think again. Read this two page article, and see what I mean.

http://allergies.about.com/cs/fragrances/a/aa022299.htm

On this note, does this mean that I think we should initiate some sort of ban on people 
who wear too much cologne or perfume in public? Absoluetely not. But without some 
common sense, it'll only be a matter of time before someone working the perfume counter 
in your local department store tries to slap their employer with a frivolous lawsuit for 
exposure to "hazardous chemicals". And unlike tobacco smoke, OSHA will most certainly 
be able to regulate peoples' exposure to these chemicals.

-Robert



--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Jack Stiefel <jackstiefel@xxxx> wrote:
> There is a good point Vegas made that he forgot when he was making his
> other points lol.  Restaurants and bars and most all public places are
> themselves workers.  If I am a hot blonde with a great rack and can
> make thousands stripping, why should I have to be surrounded by
> unhealthy smoke?  If I work at that bar or nightclub or even
> restaurant, is it fair for me to submit myself to the 2nd shower of
> the day to cleanse myself from that nasty smell (or that supposed
> health risk -- come on cigs are good for everyone right??).
> 
> Lauren has a point about other smells, and to some extent it happens. 
> I am sure people have been denied service or entrance to public places
> due to a bad smell?  I have seen it at airports and restaurants
> myself.  These things however can not be attributed to any health
> concern.
> 
> The NY State law IMHO was great.  Businesses wined about loss of
> business so NYS said fine in the next 3-6 months if you lose any of
> your normal business submit it to us and we will subsidize it.  To my
> knowledge none were submitted.  In fact places most concerned were the
> bars and clubs.  Their business went up as non-smokers felt
> comfortable and safe going in.
> 
> I can't make any comparisons to Sin City and NYC in tourism.  Sin City
> has made a huge transformation over the last 10 years and has a huge
> draw.
> 
> 2004 -- http://techpolicy.typepad.com/iamadamsmith/2004/09/top_tourist_des.html
> 2001 -- http://archives.cnn.com/2001/TRAVEL/NEWS/12/10/nyc.tourism.poll/
> 
> Las Vegas is even under San Francisco.  Oh well maybe next year (total
> sarcasm, I LOVE Vegas!!)
> 
> Oh well I better go to bed I have ranted enough for tonight :)
>   
> Jack
> 
> On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:13:45 -0700, Lauren <LPLand@xxxx> wrote:
> > Flavia wrote:
> > 
> > >  One of the reasons why I love to go out in NYC, no smoking in
> > > bars or clubs, I can have fun, breathe
> > 
> > When I smoked, smokers were always the target of "I can't stand 
> > the smell"  issues.  Personally, I have  a problem with people who 
> > feel the need to overdose on perfumes, whether in clubs or 
> > restaurants or airplanes.   The cacophony of scents really bothers 
> > me yet no one has ever started an anti-perfume campaign against 
> > the obnoxiously overscented.  
> > 
> > My point is that with the asshole-to-elbow population exploding 
> > everywhere, no one can do anything that won't bother someone.  
> > Where do we draw the line?  Perfumes?  Dirty diapers?  Excessive 
> > noise?  Ugly shoes? What about people with MCS - do they want to 
> > ban polyester in public?   If we legislate away all the irritables, we'll 
> > all have to leave our houses in bubblewrap.  But what right do we 
> > have to legislate some of the irritables and not others?
> > 
> > ......................LP
> > 
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