[DMCForum] Re: Why? (For Flavia)

["Flavia" <frvianna@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hey Rich,

I didn't mean YOU would stop anyone from doing it, but anyone who's 
against abortion. The only reason I said that is bc I think that 
someone that gets accidently preagnant is probably going through too 
much trouble already, then she needs support, not criticism.

this is your quote: "You can be gay all you want, or abort every time 
you get pregnant and you can belong or not belong to any religion you 
like, but if  you think I will be silent when I disagree with it 
(unless I am  inciting violence against the aforementioned) you'll be 
sadly  disappointed."

Good, clearer arguments now :)

I'd just like to defend myself, I can read well, not only in English, 
but in 3 languages! And yes, I have a lot of not very popular ideas!

Flavia

P.S. I read your post again and I agree with a lot that you say, 
basically, only the above quote is what I don't quite think it's the 
right thing to do. As long as there is no personal attack, i.e. 
violence, as you mentioned, there's nothing wrong with thinking 
differently.



--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> For a college educated person you don't read very well.
> 
> I'll try to speak more plainly: I agree that you have a fundamental 
right to have 
> an abortion as a legal adult under any circumstances. However, 
there are only 
> certain circumstances where I would agree that it's right.
> 
> I'd still never stop you from doing it, nor would I call you names 
over it.
> 
> I hope that's clear enough.
> 
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Flavia" <frvianna@xxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > Hey rich,
> > 
> > Since I am included, here are my words:
> > 
> > I am against what Muslins do to their women, how they are 
treated, 
> > but I don't go to any Muslim person and say: hey you bastard 
respect 
> > your wife. I think it's wrong, but I never went out to defend 
them, 
> > maybe I should, but then I'd be interefering in their lives. 
> > I never tell people not to believe in God, but I hate when they 
come 
> > to me and say God will do this to you... I say taht I don't 
believe 
> > that will happen, I'm atheist, I don't believe in God, then some 
> > people think I'm a freak and that I'll go to hell. I usually say 
that 
> > hell is more fun than heaven, then they hate me more. Later on 
they 
> > usually realize that no one will change what I think and they 
respect 
> > it, the same way I respect them, since I never attack christians.
> > I think that can say whatewver I want as long as I don't attack 
> > anyone. I never understood why some men like otehr men or women 
like 
> > other women, but it's none of my business. I do think it's a 
waste to 
> > see and attractive guy who is gay, but what can I do :)
> > They have the right to do whatever they want with whatever 
partner 
> > they want. Gay couples are 2 adults, so why do people have to 
> > interfere? I wouldn't enjoy seeing public display of affection 
> > between 2 women or 2 men, but if I ever see it, I just won't 
look, bc 
> > it's not my problem.
> > I think Liberal and Socialist are distinct terms and they will 
never 
> > be similar, I don't cconsider myself being any of them. 
Socialist, 
> > based on Marx's ideas, never I love money, capitalism is what I 
> > believe. Is it cruel, unfair? Yeah, maybe, but I'm happy to be in 
a 
> > capitalist world, Socialism is beautiful in paper, but rather 
utopic.
> > Abortion is a difficult topic too, I don't think many men 
> > understand.  Men don't get fat, ugly, tired, etc when expecting a 
> > baby, they just wait and thir wife do the rest (the most of it). 
it's 
> > a beautiful thing when there is planning, suppost adn everyone 
wants 
> > that child. But a woman who got preagnant by accident, either bc 
they 
> > don't know anything about sex because they were not educated, or 
bc 
> > they were raped, or whatever, and they don't want that child her 
life 
> > will turn into a hell if she goes on with it. So once she finds 
out 
> > she's preagnant, go ahead and abort if that is what she wishes. I 
> > agree that it should be as early as possible. Plus it's legal, 
it's 
> > her body, her life, why do people have to come with moral values 
> > saying that she's a murderer, etc. Leave her alone, again 
attacking  
> > other people is not fair.
> > So, Rich, if you don't agree that women abort, that is fine, but 
if 
> > you see a woman that doesn't want to have that child, let her do 
> > whatever, bc she is already suffering enough. It must be horrible 
to 
> > have an abortion, but worse to bring up an unwanted child.
> > Well, that is what I think!
> > 
> > Flavia
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxx> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Freeze right there:
> > > 
> > > You have just proven every single thing I've been saying Jack 
and 
> > > you don't and won't ever realize it but I'll point it out for 
> > > everyone else's benefit:
> > > 
> > > You just said "incest is wierd". 100 years ago, blacks marrying 
> > > whites was "wierd" and "frowned upon" you dolt! Just for 
different 
> > > reasons than incest. Go ahead, tell me how I'm twisting your 
words 
> > > all around. You give me too much credit. "Incest will never be 
> > > right, we can all agree wiht that one" Ha! People said the same 
> > > thing about blacks and women being looked upon as equals. I'm 
so 
> > > glad we can rely upon your powers of prognostication Jack! 
> > > 
> > > You just said "incest is still wrong". Wrong? Why? You just say 
the 
> > > word "wrong" like a religious zealot would. "Wrong" without ANY 
> > > explanation. You just drew an arbitrary line between "right" 
> > > and "wrong" without any explanation just like a "right-wing nut 
> > job" 
> > > you giant friggin' hypocrite! Incest is "wrong" but abortion, 
> > > homosexuality, are ok. Why? Because someone before you, decided 
> > that 
> > > it was ok and because you can't think for yourself, you follow 
> > along 
> > > with it. I eliminated your "father is an authority figure" 
argument 
> > > against incest by using the "brother/brother or brother/sister" 
> > > example. When finally cornered, all you can offer me is that 
> > > it's "WIERD" and "WRONG"????? Pitiful.
> > > 
> > > Look everyone! Jack's a conservative head-case! People like him 
are 
> > > drawing lines between right and wrong! Tomorrow, no one will 
have 
> > > any rights at all because of people like him! Incestous people 
> > > aren't hurting anyone! What about their rights??
> > > 
> > > This is what I have been saying the entire time:
> > > 
> > > Society evolves, and what's "acceptable" changes over time. I 
have 
> > > the moral courage to draw my line between "right and wrong" 
just a 
> > > little earlier in the sand than you do my friend, and it's not 
for 
> > > religious reasons.
> > > 
> > > At my job, I am -required- to keep a tv tuned to a news channel 
all 
> > > day. The amount of liberal hand-wringing and crying on the news 
> > > since the election is simply hilarious:
> > > 
> > > Let me sum up my beliefs up for you Marc, Jack and Flavia:
> > > 
> > > No one is going to take away your right to pray, or not pray to 
any 
> > > religion. (You DO have to tolerate those who do pray just as 
they 
> > > tolerate you for NOT praying) No one is going to take away your 
> > > right to abort a fetus (and I don't think anyone should). 
Lastly, 
> > no 
> > > one is going to take away your right to cry publicly about 
> > something 
> > > that's never going to happen.
> > > 
> > > If you want to know who the hell is taking away freedom of 
speech 
> > in 
> > > our proud nation, I suggest that you look in the mirror! If I 
> > > disagree with homosexuality, or teachings of the Muslim 
religion 
> > but 
> > > speak of it in public, I can be arrested and jailed for "hate 
> > > speech" even if I'm NOT inciting violence against them! Who 
enacted 
> > > that "politically correct" bull? Right wingers? I think not. 
Since 
> > > when is speech regulated by the amount of hate you convey?
> > > 
> > > You can be gay all you want, or abort every time you get 
pregnant 
> > > and you can belong or not belong to any religion you like, but 
if 
> > > you think I will be silent when I disagree with it (unless I am 
> > > inciting violence against the aforementioned) you'll be sadly 
> > > disappointed.
> > > 
> > > "Liberal" is an oxymoron in this country. Mao Tse Tung refused 
to 
> > > call himself emperor of China after his revolution because he 
knew 
> > > the people would rebel against a tyrant. He insisted he be 
> > > called "Chairman Mao" so that he sounded like a steward of the 
> > > people. His motto to his subjects was "Be happy in your work". 
> > North 
> > > Korea is known as "The Democratic Republic of North Korea" 
(DPRK). 
> > > Have you heard of Kim Jong Il holding any elections lately? A 
turd 
> > > by any other name, still smells like shit.
> > > 
> > > The word "Liberal" is fast becoming the sweet smelling 
euphemism 
> > for 
> > > the word "Socialist". How's that Marc? Am I exercising my right 
to 
> > > freedom of speech vigorously enough for you now? You had the 
> > > audacity to lecture me for my lack of it earlier.
> > > 
> > > Rich
> > > 
> > > 
> > >

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