[DMCForum] Re: My view on Abortion.

["Mike" <mcquinlan@xxxxxxxxxx>]

--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "John Dore" <dmcjohn@xxxx> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I did offer education, instilling a sense of responsibility,  and 
> adoption as a solution. 

Well, here, the same people that want to ban abortion don't want any 
education unless it is abstinence.  If we could somehoe instill a 
sense of responisbility in people that don't have it, all the worlds 
problems would be solved.  I don't see this as a real possibility.  

> 
> I also pointed out that (in Ireland at least) there are not that 
many 
> kids waiting to be adopted, less kids waiting to be adopted than 
> couples looking to adopt anyway it seems. What is it like in the 
USA?

The problem here is that racial lines make adoption a problem.  Most 
people wanting to adopt are white and most children up for adoption 
are not.  Adoption agencies don't like to place children outside 
their race.  It is also a very lengthy and expensive process.  I 
have a co-worker who tried to adopt an American child and ended up 
adopting 2 children from China.  It was easier, faster and less 
expensive to go to China.

> 
> Are not all laws "forcing beliefs on others"? Most people accept 
that 
> theft is wrong, so we create a law against theft which imposes 
most 
> people's beliefs on the minority criminal element. 

Not true.  70% of all Americans support stem cell research but the 
religious right (the minority) got it banned.  One problem we have 
in this country is that the "majority" equals those who vote.  In 
many cases, the people who vote only do so because of their 
religious beliefs.  The complacent in this country don't get 
involved in the political process.  A majority of the population 
could agree with abortion but if they don't get out and vote the 
minorty will dictate the law.

Also, your example is clearly something that everyone would agree 
with.  Even the criminal would agree that theft shouldn't be legal.  
I don't think too many criminals are stealing because they truly 
feel it should be legal.  Without basic laws like this we would have 
anarchy.  Legal abortion doesn't lead to anarchy.

> 
> Obviously a law banning abortion will not be passed in the USA 
> without a majority of people supporting it. If it is ever passed, 
> would you still see it as someone's beliefs being imposed on 
others?

If abortion is banned, it will be due to nine justices.  2 to 3 of 
those Justices will be appointed in the next 4 years by Bush.  Those 
justices beliefs don't need to be representative of societies 
beliefs.  

> 
> I would tend to agree with you about religion - it can cause more 
> problems than it ever solves.
> 

agreed.

Good talking to you.

P.S.  I'm Irish (American born).  My grandfather came from Ireland.  
Someday I would like to travel to Ireland.  To see the real Ireland 
(not the touristy areas) where would you recommend?

> Best wishes,
> John
>

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