They were made by a local machinist using the specs or the Idle Air Controller and fasten to the w pipe where that lozenge shaped plate it. --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "DarkStar Media" <darkstarmedia@...> wrote: > > Just out of curiosity... what "Idle air blocks" are you using? (Pic?) > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Owen > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 12:17 PM > To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [DML] EFI Conversion Kit > > > > > > Bill, it would certainly improve your credibility if you were to check your > facts first and converse with those individuals whom you seem to wish to > disparage. > > Owen does not have a problem. Owen does however have purchase-ready fuel > rails, hold down brackets and idle air control blocks should anyone in the > community wish to purchase them to convert a stock car to EFI. We also have > a bill of materials and lots of pictures. Detailed instructions are slowly > but surely coming along. I am not actively marketing any of this, nor as you > can see, trying to promote the conversion to EFI for anyone not willing to > invest the necessary time and energy in educating oneself. I do not try to > mislead anyone into believing this is "plug and play" and I have no desire > to hold anyone's hand. I am however fully willing to help those that wish to > help themselves. I learned from others and am trying to help the next wave. > The ONLY reason I can get these parts for people is that we had to carefully > measure, cut and refine each one to make it fit. We therefore have the final > measurements and can save others the "joy" of fabrication. We standardized > it. > > As Shannon eloquently pointed out, we appear to have identified an issue > with a supplier's product. They are currently working with us to resolve the > issue. As stated, MY unit is working just great and has run both of the > prototype cars too. As it is, both of them have been driving around and > perfecting their tune, but with the limitation of the box losing > synchronization with the distributor >3,500 RPM, it cannot be considered > "done". In the meantime, users can simply buy a 3.0 generation board. > > And to set you straight again, MY tune fired right up on Shannon's car. > EVERY car will require fine tuning, but one of the super nice things about > TunerStudio is its VE analyzer that basically allows you to drive and it > self tunes. That is assuming the user is both smart enough and motivated > enough to understand the concept of target air/fuel ratios. Likewise, unless > you have the ability to grasp the whole issue of timing advance, stick with > the conservative stock setup. THESE tables are absolutely 100% copyable. > > Your information on interpolation and table sizes is also wrong. You can > have 12x12 or 16x16 true enough, but YOU fully control the scale on the X > and Y axis. That means if I want a lot of detail between 700 and 2000 RPM, I > can have it. You really only need a single value at both 5000 and 6000 and > the software interpolates between the two. So at the end of the day it is > not a linear table. VERY powerful. > > In the vein of continuous improvement I am always tinkering with the new > features and trying to find even more performance from the stock car. Yes, > sometimes it doesn't work and I either reload the previous tune or simply > autotune it again. Development time as you call it, ended a long, long time > ago. > > I haven't been exiled from the DMCtalk boards and choose to communicate > freely, positively and openly in those forums. I only joined this board to > set the story straight. Anyone that wishes to respectfully learn, share or > just watch is welcome over there. > > Bill, I've never had a personal problem with you and in fact some of your > ideas have made their way into my car. If you would like to pass commentary > on what you think you understand of the technology you have chosen not to > employ yourself, so be it. Do me the civil favor of leaving my name out of > your running commentaries. > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> , > "content22207" <brobertson@> wrote: > > > > Not my problem -- Owen's problem. > > > > I'm just updating EFI enthusiasts (including those who claim that one > owner can perfect a fuel map that others simply download -- see Message > #84497) of Owen's current progress. > > > > Owen gave the impression earlier this year that a simple bolt on EFI > conversion for DeLoreans was right around the corner. Development time > appears to be longer now. > > > > Bill Robertson > > #5939 > > > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> , > "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty@> wrote: > > > > > > If it won't work between identical setups all that means is there is a > variable that you haven't accounted for yet. This whole discussion is better > taken over to the M/S forum where you can get more experienced help specific > to your problem. No one on this forum has enough experience to give informed > advice, this is a Delorean forum where we can help you with the stock fuel > system. Perhaps a forum could be set up just to deal with engine conversions > and engine modifications for the Delorean. > > > David Teitelbaum > > > > > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> , > "content22207" <brobertson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > That is what Owen is trying to make -- a standardized kit of identical > EFI parts that can share fuel maps. Unfortunately it isn't working between > the two test cars he's installed it on. > > > > > > > > Bill Robertson > > > > #5939 > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> , > "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To download a fuel map you do have to have exactly the same setup or > it won't work. That's why a kit with everything identical to each kit is so > important. Short of providing a kit, a Bill of Materials would do but then > you give the person the chance to substitute or change things. Production > cars are close enough so it all works and the software has some adjustablity > to compensate for the minor variations in each motor. If you are trying to > find reasons for people to NOT convert to EFI, many of them apply to > changing to a carburetor. For all of the effort a properly done conversion > will take, IMHO it is easier to try to fix the K-Jet and get it running > right. As for downloading a fuel map, I am sure one could be created that is > wide enough to get you running and then each individual could fine-tune it > (or not). EFI keeps improving all time. I am sure eventually this could > become more automated and easier to do. In the meantime the K-Jet has been > optimized to work well on the Delorean (when it is working right). > > > > > David Teitelbaum > > > > > > > > > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> , > "content22207" <brobertson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a problem the guys in Texas have been having: getting one > car to start in the first place -- even with fuel maps (and even the > controller itself) that worked on another car. That is why I think David is > overly optimistic about simply downloading a fuel map. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnewsYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/