Re: [DML] Re: Limit Users.

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Claude
I have not seen anyone hear say that the car is perfect or without problems or design flaws. All cars have them, but the way that you and Bill talk about them sounds like you really hate the cars and I just don't understand how if you have that much negativity for the car, why you would stay involved with them. The Delorean is not a safety vehicle and the Bricklin seemed to be one all the way. I had been interested in them as well, but never got one.
I have had most of the problems that you described, ac mode switch, bent trailing arm bolts and burnt wires in the relay compartment for the fans and I don't have the same opinion of the car that you do. I was only towed off the road once when I broke a bolt in the shifter and was stuck in second gear. I could have driven home, but thought that I would save the clutch. I had also told the service manager  what I thought was wrong, but was ignored. They ended up paying for everything after I sued them.
Ford SUV's would catch fire while parked because of a faulty brake switch on the master for the cruise control. I was fortunate not to have the fire and it got recalled. These are man made things and are flawed. We just have to find the problems and fix them.
As to prospective new owners, I tell them all the time that it is better to get a car that is closer to original than one heavily modified because you don't know what has been done to it, especially electrically and there really isn't any way to find out. The cars are not perfect.

Gary Masie

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From: "cbl302@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" 
Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 10:07 pm
Subject: [DML] Re: Limit Users.
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

> Hey Jack,
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> I am NOT putting down the car I am TELLING of what I know of the 
> Faults of the car and the Good of the Car...sure it would be 
> nice if we all looked at the Delorean with Rose colored 
> glasses..But that is NOT the real world when it comes to Deloreans
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> You do realize that 90% of the people that "want" to own a 
> Delorean base it from seeing the BTTF trilogies and DO NOT 
> understand the Land-mine purchase that a Delorean can become..as 
> a Delorean is one of the most deceiving cars you can Purchase..
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> Because of the fact that from a first impression look at most 
> Deloreans..even the worst ones,seem at the most to just need 
> minor work to make perfect..the Bulk of the Newbies who are 
> interested in a Delorean..will make the classic mistake and see 
> shiny Stainless Steel and be ready to plunk down hard earned 
> cash...only to realize later when they do a oil change and then 
> spot something like a rotted frame or find out as they are 
> driving along and smell the smell of a melting fuse box..or the 
> sound of a snapping trailing arm bolt at speed...or find 
> themselves without heat on a cold freezing day or AC on a hot 
> blistering day..because of a failing Mode control switch etc etc..
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> Am I getting my point clear of WHY it is NOT sensible to Make 
> the Delorean Appear as a outright Perfect car...Non-Negative car???
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> This Group WAS established to Talk about the Delorean and JZD 
> Himself on ALL subjects both good and bad..and ugly..let the 
> Truth be known
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> If this Group Becomes one sided and Only wants to talk about the 
> Positives of the Delorean and JZD...then this Group is NOT going 
> to help the Delorean community..but hurt it in the long run...
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> My goal down the road is buying a 348 or 355 Ferrari Spyder.. or 
> a 328.and when that time comes I sure as hell...WANT to know the 
> Positives and Negatives..I want to hear All comments about my 
> future purchase. 
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> Just my 2 cents
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> Claude
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> --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Jack Singer wrote:
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> > I have met hundreds of Delorean owners over the years. Â Many 
> have been to my house, I have hosted events and I have never run 
> across anyone as negative as you Bill or Claude. Â Everyone I 
> met would give you the shirt off of their back and a few like 
> Rob, Evil Dan and others went far beyond to help me and others 
> get their cars running properly.
> > So instead of putting down the car, how about working in a 
> positive fashion and make this car what it could be versus 
> complaining about it. Â People are tired of hearing about your 
> negative opinion when they are working so hard to make their car 
> right...> Just my two cents.
> > Jack.
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> > Time to turn in your psychology credentials. If I crave 
> attention, negative or positive, then why would my ultimate goal 
> be banishment (ie: no more attention)?
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> > I just refuse to spout dogma and orthodoxy -- that's all. JZD 
> was not a saint. He wasn't even a good businessman (every single 
> business he was involved with after leaving Chevrolet, which 
> lost money 3 of the 4 years he presided over it), failed. 
> Consciously or not, the man also was a prolific liar. The car 
> that bears his name is not perfect. In fact, it is riddled with 
> flaws (understandably so, but it is ludicrous to claim that the 
> car is not rife from improvement). There are many ways to 
> accomplish these improvements, not just one. New areas of 
> improvement are being found all the time (for example, until 
> last year, I used to believe your oft repeated claim that the 
> instrument cluster is grounded via the radio bracket. In fact 
> only the radio itself is grounded there -- the instrument 
> cluster is grounded behind the central HVAC plenum).
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> be best for us to avoid face to face contact in the future. The 
> only people who benefit from us in the same room are spectators 
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