[DML] Re: Carbon fiber louvers - New SS frame

["content22207" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Since you keep insisting that there is no problem with the stock setup (despite working on a radical replacement yourself...) the absolutely micronial amount of fore/aft compliance left in my suspension should be fine with you.

For anyone considering improving their front suspension: Byrne's LCA's and Ed's outriggers are available for immediate purchase. They are not a future possibility that may or may not make it into production. If you want to improve your suspension this weekend, and don't want to design and manufacture lower wishbones yourself, they are your only possibility (you can of course install Ed's outriggers on OEM LCA's, but then you would still be stuck with ball joint ends snapping off, side metal splitting, etc).

As far as the stock setup is concerned: this is an edited down portion of a video shot by Raphael in France: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMHO4Aydk04

Bill Robertson
#5939

--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Martin Gutkowski" <martin@...> wrote:
>
> I am pointing out that you are in error describing the lower arm as "floppy" (which is meaningless anyway). 
> 
> I have a design for a different lower arm reinforcement which would provide a true lower wishbone as opposed to your "pseudo" wishbone which is still compliant fore/aft.
> 
> Martin
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry®
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "content22207" <brobertson@...>
> Sender: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:28:58 
> To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [DML] Re: Carbon fiber louvers - New SS frame
> 
> Says the man who is designing a lower wishbone himself....
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Martin Gutkowski" <martin@> wrote:
> >
> > The lower control arm is not compliant in any plane  where it is required to be rigid by the original design of the front suspension. Live with it.
> > 
> > Martin 
> > 
> > Sent from my BlackBerry®
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "content22207" <brobertson@>
> > Sender: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:30:25 
> > To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [DML] Re: Carbon fiber louvers - New SS frame
> > 
> > I have long advocated double wishbones up front, but am often rebuffed by owners who claim a floppier LCA is just fine (not only does the sway bar do a poor job of doubling as a backwards thrust arm, but the LCA itself is skinniest at the pivot point which is inherently unstable, kind of like standing with your legs together versus standing with them spread apart. OEM LCA's are also made of 16 gauge steel, which makes them rather twisty themselves). 
> > 
> > Earlier this year I installed a set of Ed Uding's LCA brackets on a pair of 1/8" alloy steel arms, creating pseudo lower wishbones. The result revolutionized the car: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.267044360007488.68655.100001057778755&type=3
> > 
> > Bill Robertson
> > #5939
> > 
> > 
> > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tom Niemczewski" <dmctom@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Bill,
> > > 
> > > The front suspension will use double wishbones with coil-over-shock and will 
> > > be fully adjustable. That is the easy part. The real pain is with the rear. 
> > > It will also use double wishbone system and I'm getting rid of the TABs. 
> > > Major changes...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Greetings from Poland!
> > > Tom Niemczewski
> > > Vin 6149 plus 2418, 3633, 5030, 16473, 17086
> > > Google earth: 52°25'17.66"N, 21° 1'58.40"E
> > > 
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "content22207" <brobertson@>
> > > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 8:17 PM
> > > To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: [DML] Re: Carbon fiber louvers - New SS frame
> > > 
> > > > What changes are you making to the front suspension?
> > > >
> > > > Bill Robertson
> > > > #5939
> > > >
> > > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tom Niemczewski" <dmctom@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Matt,
> > > >>
> > > >> Still not ready. Lots of things going on at once... life... Besides, I do
> > > >> not want to rush things. There are some major changes in the suspension 
> > > >> and
> > > >> I want to be absolutely sure everything works before I say that the frame 
> > > >> is
> > > >> ready. That means testing, testing, and then some more testing.
> > > >> I will be posting to the DML (regardless if it's moderated or not). I 
> > > >> will
> > > >> post some pictures of the testing and assembly. Can't say exactly when 
> > > >> but
> > > >> I'm still here and still working on the details.
> > > >>
> > > >> Greetings from Poland!
> > > >> Tom Niemczewski
> > > >> Vin 6149 plus 2418, 3633, 5030, 16473, 17086
> > > >> Google earth: 52°25'17.66"N, 21° 1'58.40"E
> > > >>
> > > >> --------------------------------------------------
> > > >> From: "Matthew" <matthew.spittle@>
> > > >> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:04 PM
> > > >> To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> Subject: [DML] Re: Carbon fiber louvers - New SS frame
> > > >>
> > > >> > Tom,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Any update on your frames?  I would like to buy one.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Matt
> > > >> > #1604
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tom Niemczewski" <dmctom@> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Hello Bryan,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I'm glad that you are interested in my little project to make a new
> > > >> >> frame.
> > > >> >> You didn't miss any updates as there weren't any. Life got in a way 
> > > >> >> and I
> > > >> >> had to postpone this project. I'm getting ready to return to it just 
> > > >> >> now
> > > >> >> and
> > > >> >> I should have the frame finished pretty soon. The frame itself is 
> > > >> >> pretty
> > > >> >> much complete but I'm still working on some parts of it. The good 
> > > >> >> thing
> > > >> >> is
> > > >> >> that while I was doing other things in life I had some specialists go
> > > >> >> over
> > > >> >> the frame and do some calculations. Thanks to their effort and 
> > > >> >> expertise
> > > >> >> the
> > > >> >> suspension will be redesigned both front and rear. We are doing double
> > > >> >> wishbone front and are getting rid of the infamous TAB in the rear. We
> > > >> >> should have the prototype frame on the road within a few months.
> > > >> >> Bryan, I didn't want to compete with your frame so the delay was 
> > > >> >> useful
> > > >> >> in
> > > >> >> two ways. I've heard that you might be discontinuing your frame soon 
> > > >> >> and
> > > >> >> so
> > > >> >> I can offer my frames then. Is that true or was it just a rumor?
> > > >> >> BTW, one of the reasons for my delay is now listed in my signature.
> > > >> >> There's
> > > >> >> five of them actually. ;)
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Take care
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Greetings from Poland!
> > > >> >> Tom Niemczewski
> > > >> >> Vin 6149 plus 2418, 3633, 5030, 16473, 17086
> > > >> >> Google earth: 52°25'17.66"N, 21° 1'58.40"E
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
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