Guess what......I too have spent many hours working on Deloreans. I have replaced doors, adjusted torsion bars, among many other things. I'm quite aware that the torque on the bar changes the shape/fit the door. I'm NOT talking about generalities here I'm talking about comments made about a specific vendors product. I'm equally baffled by your inability to understand simple engineering and design concepts. The common sense argument is simply a copout. You still never answered the my question. Let me rephrase it for you again. How do you know that Heningers torsions bars when installed properly cause any problems with the fit /closing of the door or over stress of the hindges? Dan ________________________________ From: Martin Gutkowski <martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:41:40 AM Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Driver Side Torsion Unit Wow, you do seem intent on arguing this very obvious point. But to answer your specific questions: > You act as if torsion bars are not adjustable. > ??! How on earth did you draw that conclusion? > How do know that these torsion bars installed properly result in enough added force that it puts an additional twist on the door ? Er, because I, like Dave Swingle, have spent many hours working with DeLoreans. Try it. Wind up a bar one more notch on a door that fits perfectly, then try and close it. This is simple mechanics - there's a torque being applied to the leading edge of the door. and the door is not perfectly rigid. If the moment being applied to the trailing edge by the strut remains unchanged, a relative twist will result. > Do you have one of these bars ? Should the brand of bar affect the torque it applies? > Have you installed one these bars and tried it? Or is this just more speculation? ] > If I'm speculating, I try to always make it clear. I consider this stuff common sense and I'm sure people reading this are equally baffled as to what point you're trying to make Martin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnewsYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/