In a 27 year old system I'd expect it could leak anywhere, but also be advised that the original hoses were not designed for 134a, which can very slowly weep out through the hose itself, almost at a molecular level as I understand it. You could refill with Freeze 12 yourself, some of the vendors sell it and you can find it in some auto parts stores and on ebay. You can also legally buy R12, off of ebay for example, if you take a 20 minute open book test on the internet and get "certified". At $30 a can its expensive though. Freeze 12 is a R12 substitute which is actually a bend of other refrigerants, but it is still more than half 134a. As such I'd expect that although freeze 12 is compatible based on its properties under Boyles law (expansion, compression, thermal characteristics) it will likely weep out too. Over the long term the mix in the system may shift as well if for example only the 134a weeps out, as you keep adding FR12 it would eventually change the balance of compounds, leaving more of the other, non weeping gasses in higher concentration. This is speculation... From: Elvis Subject: [DML] Re: recharging my R-12 system with R-416A (another update on #2613) Thanks Tom, tis is the correct way to go, but before refilling it I'd like to replace suspicious parts first. ------------------------------------ To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnewsYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/