Having been in the DeLorean community for close to ten years now, and having owned 2 DeLoreans, I can say I've pretty well seen it all. Something that has never stopped angering me is the way some "veteran" owners treat newcomers. Instead of snidely looking down our nose at new people and their seemingly inane repetitious questions, we should be happy! New owners means the marque is surviving... new generations of people are discovering and buying DeLoreans, the car won't become a forgotten relic of the past. We should be welcoming these people with open arms and congratulating them instead of being snippy and snide with them. If you just simply can't be bothered to provide someone with a link to a typical problem, then perhaps you shouldn't be on an internet discussion forum! If this has all become old news, and newbies bother you, by all means... don't drag the rest of the group down. There is enough negativity surrounding the DeLorean without getting additional "help" within the community! Treat others the way that they want to be treated, it's very simple. We were all newbies at one point with the same silly questions. There is no denying too that the online DeLorean community isn't as up to date and user friendly as it could be either. I know I heard the phrase "look it up in the archives" quite a few times in my first years of the community, not knowing at all how to even locate the archives, much less search in them lol. The community is just so fragmented too, and seems to be getting worse daily. There are groups who want nothing to do with one another in our tiny community. This all just points to a more systematic than individual problem... we need more continuity between the websites, vendors, clubs, and resources; more easy point and click links for common problems, and more FRIENDLINESS in general! One of the biggest ironies around here is that so many of us complain about the way Ed at D-1 treats new owners, but then we turn around and treat new owners the same way ourselves! Just think back how daunting it was when you bought your DeLorean and it had it's first problem. You owned an extinct orphan car who a very select few have knowledge about how to repair. You couldn't run to your local Auto Zone for parts, and your local American car repair shop won't touch your car. So you come online only to get snippy responses from jaded people... talk about adding insult to injury!! Regarding the manuals... not everyone has them. I know I always did, but they may as well have been written in Greek to me. I just can't read about how to fix a car... I have to see it done, and have help. Lord knows not all owners are mechanically inclined either... I know I sure wasn't! I couldn't have kept my DeLoreans running without the help and good will of people like Bill Robertson, Jeff Friday, and so many others. I know this sounds like I'm picking on Jordin, and believe me I'm not. He's a great asset to the community with his How To's. I just challenge him to remember why he created them in the first place: lack of easy point and click answers and continuity in the DeLorean community. The issue of newbies asking the same questions shouldn't be vented onto the individual... it points to a systematic problem. So perhaps we should be looking instead how to streamline and combine the DeLorean community instead of further divide it. Maybe it's time to throw convention out the window again, and start with some fresh ideas on how to tackle the age old questions of newbie ownership. Just remember too, it takes more muscles to frown than smile!!! :-) Louie Golden Sometimes DeLorean Owner To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/