Would it not be simpler in the mean time, to do a "blind test" say, 5 or 7 quick spirited drives over the same route, same driver, and randomly ( decided on the toss of a coin) have a trusted third party either fit or remove the bar. Ask the driver then to identify the times when the car had the bar and the times when it didn't. This test should give a good indicator of whether a placebo effect is in action or not. If he gets it correct every time, I for one will turn to and buy one immediately for my new project. This would be a simple, cheap, and probably quite fun test.... just a suggestion :-) Martin Cameron, Peter wrote: > > Rob, > > Thanks for sticking your neck out on this one, and for the > encouragement. As time permits I think I'll go ahead and have a go at > making the strain gage measurement. This is the only way I can see to > remove the subjectivity. > > Pete > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/