David, What seat of the pants information are you coming up with about converting old NOS 30 year old parts to New R134 systems. I can't believe your saying this. Man, what are you trying to do to all the people on the chat groups about updating the AC system. Don't you think the new Goodyear hoses I build will not hold the pressure? Do you think the compressor made for R134 won't perform? Do you think the evaporators and condensers won't work. You need to talk to engineers a little more before you try to put out information about not converting the system over. I'll give you the experts phone numbers at Sanden if you have any doubt. Do I need to start selling fire extinguishers again because if you take the gas cap off the car may catch on fire. John Hervey www.specialtauto.com -----Original Message----- From:David Teitelbaum Subject: [DML] Re: AC clutch running continuously The A/C system in the Delorean was not designed for the use of -134. It can work but you will run higher pressures, hotter tempertures, and a loss of capacity. R-12 is NOT outlawed. It can no longer be manufactured or used in newer vehicles. It CAN be recycled and used in vehicles that were origionally designed for it's use. It is supposed to be handled only by licensed people but it is NOT illegal. I also agree that there are better alternatives but more because of economics. R-414B is a drop-in replacement that is cheaper and more environmentally friendly but R-12 is still the "best" as long as it is still available. To switch to -134 the hoses, every seal, the accumulator, and all of the oil must be replaced. A big, expensive job. David Teitelbaum vin 10757 -- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "welmoedj" <joe.dalton@...> wrote: > > I have to disagree with your suggestion not to use 134a. > If the system is okay and holds its pressure 134a is no problem. > Yes, the connections and lines are not developed for 134a, but when > these are checked/perhaps replaced when needed and with the proper > type of filling (after vacuming) it will provide you with a reliable > cooling system. To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/