Why is there so much unhappiness over a comparison that shouldn't really exist? Even my untrained eye can spot the apples to oranges differences: The Delo's primary market was North American; The Esprit's primary market was continental. Perhaps nowhere is this difference clearer than the choice of powerplant (never mind the fact that DMC never produced a proprietary engine). The Delo was intended for mass production; Lotus seems to have targeted limited consumption (barely producing more Esprit's in 30 years than the number of vehicles DMC managed in 3). The Dunmurry and Hethel manufacturing facilities were as different as Dearborn and Detriot (Packard). Cars that rolled out were priced accordingly (IMHO DMC still came in too high, but that's another topic for another thread). The Delo incorporates a premium vinyl interior (see above); The Esprit boasts leather all around. The Delo uses a simplified backbone chassis/suspension (see above); The Esprit has a fully adjustable suspension. Just out of curiosity: Is there any truth to the rumor that DMC used cheaper/lower quality steel? We could go on and on like this (comparing advertising, dealerships, etc), but I for one am thrilled to death Lotus was brought in. IMHO, had DMC gone through with ERM, very few of us would be driving one of their vehicles today. I envision a wasteland of unibody cars hopelessly cracked when their tired old plastic met one pothole too many. Whatever uniqueness was lost in the redesign has been more than made up in longevity. And if the retail price was too high with conventional engineering, just imagine how much higher it would have been with ERM (making the vehicles even less saleable). Doesn't it stretch the limits of believability to think that DMC and Lotus were competitive threats to one another? A much fairer comaprison is AMC and the Big 3 (AMC used Chrysler automatics, Ford (Autolite) ignition, and GM (Delco) generators/alternators) -- a manufacturing synergy that lasted 40 years. One plug for my beloved manufacturer (having broached its name in a totally unrelated newsgroup): AMC *DID* have proprietary engines, the oldest design of which continued in production until 2005 (Chrysler's 4.0 is the AMC 258/232/199). Contact me off list for more info than you ever wanted. Bill Robertson #5939 To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/