just FYI Mike, I work at Brookhaven Lab, my job title is 'senior physicist'. grins. From: Cameron, Peter Sent: Tue 11/7/2006 11:33 AM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [DML] Re: crash tests / safety ***** Moderator's Note ***** The trouble with physicists is there is never one around when you need one. Until we can find one or somebody finds their college physics text and looks up the equations, consider this thread closed. ***** Mike G Moderator of the week ***** these are not the 'engineering facts', as any engineer (or physicist) will tell you. Whether the car is stopped by an immovable barrier or a car of equal mass travelling with equal but opposite velocity, the deceleration will be the same. The car will transition from being in motion at a constant velocity to a dead stop in the same distance. To repeat, the deceleration will be the same. The deceleration (number of g's) is the killer. apropos this, isn't it about time for the moderators to kill this thread? From: dmc12rb Sent: Tue 11/7/2006 9:46 AM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [DML] Re: crash tests / safety We have seen a fair amount of discussions on this subject, but many of them are opinions and presumed logic. The engineering facts are: A "barrier test" and a head-on collisions in this argument are fundamentally different. While in both instances the vehicle(s) will theoretically stop upon collision (assuming equal masses in the case of a head-on), the crash speed is cumulative. IE: if barrier = 40 mph, head-on = 80 mph = 40 mph + 40 mph. [moderator snip] To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/