So basically you are saying that Proto One is unsafe,as that is the concept you are referring to,in the crash mock-up. Common sense tells you that metal (the drivtrain)forced thru fiberglass and HDF materials(thru the the impact)will shear thru it like a hot knife thru butter,hense the 26 mph crash results,UNLESS a full frame is attached to the fiberglass underbody,(like on the finished product)working together,to form a rigid substructure,in other words,The fiberglass substructure,no matter how you look at it,is to weak,to prevent a crush/shatter,all you have to do is see BTTF III to see that fact,when the train hits the Delorean,it shattered in a million pieces,since that car did not have a DMC frame under it.Yet I owned a parts Delorean that was involved in a VERY VERY serious head-on Collision,(in the same fashion as in BTTF III) (but without the train)and on that car,the ONLY major damage was the fiberglass underbody(the nose sheared off,(the weak point),they found it over 200 feet from the car),YET the Driver was STILL able to open BOTH doors,now had the Delorean been Engineered with the orignal concept(ERM) the chances are the driver would NOT be here today,he would mostly likely,have become part of the engine/drivetrain!!Back to the main point,THE orignal concept for the Delorean was EVEN weaker,than as the one you claim,since that was supposed to be a all NON METAL structure,all formed by the ERM process,basically a fiberglass uni-bodied understructure!! With just a minumal metal structure to hold the Drivetrain/rear underpinnings and in the front the the steering and suspension,putting ALL the crash protection into the ERM black body! My point here LOTUS /DMC DID the wise thing and used the tried and true engineering(and VERY SAFE)from Lotus's cars,and came out with a very safe car to be in!! CBL --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty@...> wrote: > > The article says that they abandoned the ERM process for a fiberglass center with front and rear subframes. THAT is what was run on Gumman's computers saying it would NOT handle a crash well. In that article it does NOT say why the ERM process was abandoned, only that it was. > David Teitelbaum > vin 10757 To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/