Marty, I looked at your collars again on the web site and the difference is see is yours are turned aluminum and designed the way you want them to hold the cup in the position you want. My collars are steel and as I said will be modified to hold the cups where I want. They are totally 2 different designs and yours are aluminum and mine are going to be plated steel which won't give in my estimation over the years. I didn't copy yours at all. I'm not saying I'm an expert on shocks, but I do read the difference in shocks which you also must know the difference in Bilstein 360 PSI stiff valve aeration and Monroe 100 to 150 PSI weaker valuing aeration. Twin tube, single tube all different variations to produce the ride the customer wants. I never said my shocks are the touring shocks nor do I know your definition of Touring. I stated my shock in an earlier Email or on the web site and said nothing about touring. If you were expecting to be copied, I wonder why this hasn't come up earlier with other companies and why were talking about it now. Rob had his design then Houston came out with theirs and it looks like they are using a collar and I don't remember anybody saying anything about that. John Hervey -----Original Message----- From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of wingd2@xxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 1:13 PM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [DML] Re: DeLorean Shocks John, I agree "black paint is black paint" but 10 years of testing and over 200 Delorean shock kits have shown me that "collars" are not necessarily always "collars," no matter where you buy them. And having a tax number and buying from industrial locations is one of those "been there, done that" things that never produced a collar that I found acceptable to use for one of my shock kits. And I don't quite understand the economics of buying some sort of industrial collar and then spending the time and money to "modify" it to the way you want it, but I'm sure you've worked thru the cost. [moderator snip] To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/