Let me start off by saying that I am not intending for this post to be a flame. It's not an attack, just an honest question for people. I've been pretty dormant on this, and other lists for a while now, but I have been reading some of the topics that have recently been discussed. Two in particular are regarding "valleyrat's" failed smog test, and Scott's Hot-Start issue. And I honestly have to ask this: Do any of you own a Workshop Manual? Allot of questions that I'm seeing on here are uber-simple ones that should already have been obvious with a workshop manual, and a little automotive know how. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that everyone here should be at the level of an ASE mechanic. After all, this is a forum for DIY'ers seeking help. But if you're asking about an engine running lean, and you've not yet hit it with a timing light, then let's take a step back, and even ask how to do that, before tearing your exhaust system apart to shine a light into the Catalytic Convertor. Hot Start problems are NOT normal on the DeLorean, or any car that uses a K-Jetronic fuel injection system. I've seen DeLoreans fire-up in triple digit heat, and have only taken about a second-long turn of the key to do so. For a beater Volvo that ends up on some "Buy-Here/Pay-Here" car lot in the middle of the ghetto, yes, the Hot-Start relay is needed, because it's assumed that people will NOT properly maintain these cars in the long run. For a high-end car such as the DeLorean, it's assumed that proper maintenance will negate the installation of a band-aid remedy. Now I know that sounds a bit harsh. And I wouldn't normally be so frank in my words for someone who is still getting familiar with their car. But 10 YEARS and you still have this issue? Even if you're not handy with a wrench, I can understand. But at the very least, be more aggressive with your mechanic and demand that the issue you paid for to be resolved, gets properly taken care of. Especially if you're already armed with the knowlege of how the affected system(s) function. Like I say, I've seen DeLoreans fire up in all sorts of weather, and not have an issue. So this is NOT a "design flaw" with the DeLorean car itself. If there is any flaw in this case, it's flawed diagnotic procedure that's been performed on your car by both your mechanic, AND by you (that "design flaw" statement is insulting to me, and other owners who's cars operate properly). It's a machine, not a deity. Money means nothing to it. So throwing cash at the car's issue(s) will not appease the gremlins inside, and make the issue magicly go away. You've got two potential issues: 1. Electrical, or 2. Fuel Pressure. And if it is Fuel Pressure related (as it typicly is), you need to perform the proper diagnotic procedure to determine it as such. THEN determine what has to be replaced, and start the diagnosis procedure over again if it's still not resolved. I don't care if you buy *new* stuff from John Hervey, or 25 year old *NOS* parts from DMCH. Age has nothing to do with the fact that some parts may leave the factory defective. So just because it was replaced once, doesn't mean that the new part is any better off than the *defective* one you replaced. Assuming of course that proper troubleshooting is what determined it to be bad in the first place. You have 5 components of the Fuel Injection system that are responsible for maintaining fuel pressure while the system is at rest. Performing the reccomending system test will help you determine which, if any, of these components are at fault. Now I know that this post has sounded a bit mean, but believe me, it's more of a "tough love" message here. My solution for you isn't to take the car into a vendor to get the issue fixed. No, I think that it's high time you hunker down, and bust a few knuckles fixing the issue yourself. Unless someone doesn't have a cost-prohibative tool (ie. alignment rack, exhaust gas analyser), or they lack valuable experience in a particular area (ie. MVAC, or electronics repair) that requires the use of a vendors services, there is no reason that people shouldn't be working on their cars themselves. Even if you're tight on workspace where you can tear the car apart, you need to at least be able to partially diagnose the issue yourself, and talk it over with your mechanic. -Robert vin 6585 "X" To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/