Dennis, It sure sounds like the typical broken second gear fork pin symptoms. This is most commonly caused by someone trying to make it home without a tow call after losing their clutch fluid. IMHO it's not with the risk of damage to the car or the person driving it to force a car into gear with a malfunctioning clutch. Don't blame yourself as this could have happened years ago to a P.O. and the weakened pin finally decided to let go. In any case the fix is to R & R the transmission and replace the pin or ignore it until it gets worse. Unfortunately it may eventually cause damage to the first/second slide hub which is much worse because it's very hard to find slide hubs these days. BTW when we replace this pin we install a smaller one inside the replacement pin to give it extra strength. You should also plan on changing all the seals and gaskets. David, The "pops out of fifth" problem is not very common but I've seen twenty or so cases over the years and the cause is usually a bent shift fork which we usually replace. Can I assume that you are straightening this fork to effect a repair as this part is also somewhat hard to get? Rob Grady, P.J.Grady Inc. -----Original Message----- From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of dmc_5180 Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:49 PM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [DML] Re: Jumping Out of 5th Gear Hi David, I don't have a problem with 5th gear, but I am starting to have problem with 2nd gear popping out now and then. Although it only seems to happen when the transmission oil is cold right after start up and heading down the road. The senario: I would start out for a drive No problems then when I pull up the an intersection after down shifting. Call it a rolling stop I shift from 3rd to 2nd and think it is all the way in 2nd when I let the clutch out to start going again the shifter pops forward. In all the years following fixing the Second gear roll pin problem I had never had a problem until the last few months. As for your 5th gear problem. A couple years back Ed Bernstein wrote a long winded Cluthch and Transmission tech article for DW magazine. it covered 3 issues. I remember the popping out of 5th gear as sympton of a clutch alignment I think. I don't have my back issues handy at the momment but if someone else happens to have their back issues handy please look it up and post the symptoms and probable cause stuff. Dennis --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty@xxxx> wrote: > > Does anyone have any problems with their 5-speed jumping out of 5th > gear while they are driving? I am trying to see if it is at all a > common problem. I just fixed 2 transmissions that had the problem and > I am not sure how common it is. The fix is not too bad, I can do it > without removing the transmission and without any parts (unless I find > something missing or broken). The most difficult part is squeezing all > that gear oil back in! > David Teitelbaum > vin 10757 > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/