David, >From what Tom is saying there should never be a failure if it is tested properly and tested over many, many cars. Even thought the instructions say works on stock wiring and you don't know the condition or if it's stock or not. You plug it in and in a short while it fails for some reason. Then, I am hearing that the Zilla's never fail. Then you just said one failed. Am I missing something. I have had 2 fail out of 200 and both are fuse holders that failed, nothing else and in talking with the factory could have been their manufacturing error. They are rated 30 amp and on a max of 15 amp draw should have worked just fine. I'm looking at the Bussmann catalog and black fuse holders are rated 20 amps. I'm a little confused over such a bad product I build. Again, I know the Zilla has been around for a long time and has a good track record, but everything as to start somewhere at sometime. So, let's look back in a year and see how the new Box is going to do. John Hervey -----Original Message----- From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Teitelbaum Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:39 PM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [DML] Re: Zilla Most people have NO IDEA the amount of development and testing that goes into a product like a Zilla or any other of the better upgraded parts that venders make available. Many of the cars have had their wiring modified or maybe just burnt up. Then the owner expects to just plug in a new upgrade and is unhappy when it doesn't work. [modderator snip] To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/