Thanks everyone for the timing advice. I was a little disappointed I wasn't able to burn the first few layers of skin off, think of the lack of fingerprint marks on the stainless from not having sweat glands and fingerprints anymore after adjusting the timing at operating temperatures. The next question is this, some time AFTER replacing the fuel filter, o2 sensor and relays (rpm relay wasn't replaced cause my dumb azz clicked the wrong link and purchased the update kit without the rpm relay update) and BEFORE doing the tune up, my car became hard to start. Cold start was no problem. But if I started it to put it on the ramps and shut it off then tried restarting it, it sounded almost like the starter was engaging for about three seconds too long, it would sputter for a few seconds then die. Subsequent attempts at starting resulted in it just cranking. Leave it for half an hour and it would start right up. I don't think the problem is as predominant when it is completely warmed up. The previous owner replaced the fuel pump and the altertnator. I know the rpm relay and fuel accumulators are failure points. Does this sound like either of those? If not, where should I look next. Nate To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/