IIRC, I first noticed it at a DMA event. a 16xx vin car had to turn on the ignition for the brake lights to work.. So, I guess the change was somewhere in the 18xx range. --- "Patrick C." <PRC1216@xxxxxxx> wrote: > Interesting, Mark. My brakelights on VIN 1880 work > when the ignition > is turned off. The cutoff must be somewhere in > between 1860 and 1880. To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/