I can agree with much of this but one of the surprises I've encountered in life was near the end of my days with Ford. Several of us had the opportunity to spend two twelve hour weekend days playing and learning with certain engine builders about NASCAR engines and how they tune this "antiquated" technology. NASCAR specifies carburated engines. One would think after all these years that this would be a science that's long been a slam dunk. Wrong. They keep learning all the time. Granted much of this is finding ways to cheat on the rules established by NASCAR but beyond that this old technology is constantly finding better ways to skin cats. I won't ever say that something is etched in stone and forget trying to find some way to improve on it. A few things brought to my attention at this NASCAR weekend went against much of what I belived. I guess there is a point where one should say " this is as far as we can go" but after talking and listening to the NASCAR engine builders I'd say go back to the drawing board and squeeze something else out of it. Bruce Benson > I don't know (exactly) what DMCH does to it's engine but it's not > rocket science. As Mr Bill points out the B28 in foreign trim is not > rated at 130 HP and you'd be nuts to think any 3 liter engine is > inherently stuck at that by design. I'm assuming it's much of what > you're suggesting: increasing volumetric efficiency (while remaining > normally aspirated) and tuning to match it. Nor do I know what Martin > does but he's a pretty sharp bloke so I believe him when he says it > works. As I said, rocket science it's not. You just have to have lots > of patience and the test gear to tune after making changes. A dyno > helps but you can get away without using one. > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/