I maybe totally wrong,as I have no "direct proof" I am basing it on a article written in the DW magazine,back in 1987,when this type of info was easier to gather, I am just assumeing that the Delorean Factory,Consolidated Leasing,The California Tech Center,a Mr.Tim Baranski(i think) from the Classic car center,and Dave Kunk,and Delorean World knew what they are/were talking about,as that is where this info was gleemed from,plus the fact that since I had gotten vin 00570,back around 1989,I have kept my eyes out for any low vin Deloreans to surface,and in all that time I have seen very very few low vin cars surface,maybe about a dozen or so,you have to ask yourself what happened to them that they never surfaced,sure it could be possible that a collector here and there might have one that has yet to surface,but the fact,that the bulk of these cars,just plain disappeared,from the days when the factory was still in business,is highly suspect,could QAC or the factory have used them for parts or other? uses.Again NOT saying they did,but for the last 15 years,this question has been bugging me.Where have those early cars gone,they were MADE,but where did they disappear to,as they were ASSIGNED Vins,(and the vin lists show that they were being used,in one fashion or other)and saying that,if those were "sellable",cars,then if anyone could just prove that they left the factory or QAC and were sold,that would solve a 15 plus mystery,of where ARE the MISSING Deloreans. Again can anyboby PROVE that they acutally left the factory(or QAC) and were NOT destroyed(the missing cars not the ones that surfaced) or at least were sold in some way,AFTER the factory stopped using those cars for their purposes.As they were NOT considered "new" cars anymore,and therefore,could NOT be sold thru the DMC dealers,again I know for a fact that vin 570,was NEVER a sold thru any DMC dealership,but thru a liquidator.AFTER the plant shut down.(not kapac) The other question you have to ask yourself would a car such as vin 502 been "sold" to the general public(as this was a company mule car) if the Company had not folded.My guess would be No. That car and others like it most likely survived ONLY because they became liquid assets during lean times before or after the company shut down. One last mystery HOW did the company dispose of those first 500 Black bodies? That would be a hell of a lot of wasted company money on both labor and material and disposal costs. So the company was "not" afraid to dispose of a big lot of items,in one fashion or other.What one possibility is that those black shells were cut into sections,to try to sell for Body shell repairs or other? Could those missing Deloreans gone the same route(recycled as parts for the assembley line cars or for QAC to cannablise for cars at QAC,this is only a guess,and NOT fact. Regards Claude --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Louie" <louie@xxxx> wrote: > > I tend to agree with Robert on this one. And let's think about it > this way: DMCL couldn't have afforded to allot the first 150 cars > for strictly factory uses never to be sold to the public. The > company was already very late in getting the cars into production, > and were strapped for cash. They had already practiced assembly on > the "black cars." Why would they continue to essentially throw out > money by keeping these first cars for company use when they could be > used for badly needed profit and in turn, PR? They needed to get the > cars into customer hands ASAP. At the same time there were needs for > tests cars and the like, and being that the cars were now being mass > produced all they had to do was chose several. Undoubtedly they > would use some of the early cars just to get these necessary evils > out of the way, and also because they likely knew the first run of > cars would be a bit "cobby" and it would be better to go ahead and > use the needed amount of cars with these early production cars > instead of using higher quality later cars which would be better > suited for retail buyers. I have no doubt that a handful of the > first 150 cars had some sort of company usage, be it for PR > purposes, training for workers by rebuilding them, company cars, > etc; but I have never seen any evidence that this ENTIRE run of cars > was to be used SOLELY for company purposes and NOT meant for general > public consumption. Sorry Claude, but you can't badger us into > believing the first 150 cars were not for the public by repetedly > insisting your viewpoint is correct, when you really have no > evidence to back up these claims. If you can get JZD or another big > wig factory rep to come out and say your viewpoint is correct then I > might change my mind. But otherwise I see no conclusive evidence to > back up any of your ideas. > > Louie Golden > VIN 5252 Charlotte, NC To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/