If you have been bleeding and can't get a hard pedal either your bleeding technique is faulty, you have a fluid leak somewhere, a hose is swelling (bad) or the master cylinder is shot. I disagree with Harold's sequence, I start closest to the master cylinder ie; front left, front right, rear left rear right unless you are reverse pressurizing the system but that takes special equipment. NEVER reuse brake fluid, always put in fresh. Have an assistant pump the brakes and make sure he holds down the pedal as you tighten the bleeder! Have him hold the pedal down HARD and inspect all of the hoses for swelling. Look at all of the calipers for any signs of wetness (leaks). Look under the master cylinder for wetness and inside the vacuum hose from the booster. If you have to add ANY brake fluid after you bleed the system (and top it off) you have a leak and that is UNACCEPTABLE! David Teitelbaum vin 10757 --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft@xxxx> wrote: > Yes, you probably need to bleed again. With the steel lines the > braking should feel a little bit firmer (as in hard pedal). With all > four calipers down the bleeding sequence is more important. Farthest > from the master cylinder first - RR, LR, RF, LF. Be sure you are > bleeding to fresh fluid discharge. Also, if you are doing it the > shade tree way with someone pushing on the master cylinder while > another does the bleeding you have probably caused the master > cylinder to leak internally for a while especially if the fluid was > over five or six years old. (Could explain the lower pedal) > > Harold McElraft - 3354