For discussions that get a little "off-topic", might I suggest posting at: http://www.humansinprogress.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=6 I appreciate the conciseness of the Yahoo DML, but would also like to hear what people are thinking... Thanks Mike:) > [MODERATOR NOTE: I have already rejected a large number of posts > speculating about Tilley's "black box" because they are not > relevant to the DML's mission. The subject of this post, however, > is relevant. Note that I *will* reject posts that simply agree > with Dave Stragand's opinion without adding anything new. - Mike > Substelny, DML moderator of the week]