These are the jacks one uses only when changing your flat tire on a hill. You (Scott) mean yours didn't come with them? Sorry people but I could not let this one go by.... Everone stop take a deep breath and try to get along. As for messages not making it thru, I have had a few and the moderators havealways sent me an email explaining why. Thank you guys for the effort you put into this list and for posters, remember the car is the reason we are all recieving the DML. A few messages may come thru that some people think should not, but overall I am happy with the way this forum runs. Bruce Battles Vin# 06569