I HAVE NEVER FELT THAT THE MOTIVES OF THE VENDORS WHO ARE ON THE LIST HAVE CONFLICTED WITH MY MOTIVES. And, I don't think that generalizations that state such have any place upon the list. Unlike Toby, Jim, and others, I am mechanically disadvantaged. While I don't want to see "pop-ups", price lists, etc., I WANT the input of DMC Joe, Darryl, DMC Houston, Rob Grady, etc. I also want to the input of the those who, though not vendors, have great expertise. I'll sort through it and make my own decisions. Please - let's limit the DML discussions to those things for which it was intended. As in any exchange of ideas, toes will occasionally get stepped upon and noses will get tweaked. Hey, that's life. I think Martin's note of today said it well. (So, I've not had a pint before writing this and I did reread it.) Dick Ryan PS Martin, the way the exchange rate is going, your input may be worth even more than 3p. --- jwit6@xxxx wrote: If you sell > something, and it's not open > source, or you make a profit from the mebership, > then you are a vendor and > your motives conflict with those of the membership > and the list. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com