Mr. Teitelbaum, As I pointed out to Jim and Erik, please try to stay focused on my original posting. Anyone who has followed the DML for any length of time is well familiar with your knowledge of Delorean automobiles. In addition, I'm quite confident that you would make an excellent judge in Concours d'Elegance competition by virtue of your detailed, technical knowledge of the DeLorean motor car. As I mentioned to Jim, I could care less about his 1957 Ford Thunderbird and your past experience in Jaguar competition is irrelevant in this discussion. DeLorean automobile Concours d'Elegance is my only concern and Mr. Jim Espey's misrepresentation of the facts in his recent posting. There is no need to form a committee of owners who know nothing about Concours d'Elegance competition to get together and discuss the rules, regulations, points and authorities pertaining to DeLorean automobiles. If they can't get a direction and understand the existing Concours d'Elegance rules developed by Ed Bernstein/DeLorean One Concours DeLorean, The DeLorean Owners Association Concours d'Elegance and The DeLorean Motor Company Concours, what could a committee of "Dum Dum and Dum Dummer" accomplish? As a competitor, you've seen their cars. They look and run like junk! Forget "Show and Shine" competition, most of them should be entered in the "Dirt and Filth" division. By the way, didn't Mr. Espey or Mr. Koncelik print the names of first place winners a short while ago for consideration as Concours d'Elegance judges? Come on, we're talking Concours d'Elegance competition here, not motel parking lot car show! Please don't be concerned about my anonymity here. Thanks to Jim, the T-Bird guy, I've changed it. Prince Fatboy ----- Original Message ----- From: jtrealtywebspannet <jtrealty@xxxx> To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 7:10 AM Subject: [DML] Re: Let's try again; Facts and "The airline terminal" - Concoursd'Elegance > I feel compelled to respond to "fatboy". I HAVE competed in 2 Concours > while my car has actually been in 3 (1 was by a previous owner). I won > 1st place in 98 and 2nd in 2000 (in the first entry in Williamsburg by > the previous owner the car didn't place.) By having PARTICIPATED!I > feel I have some credibility and knowledge at least as it pertains to > Deloreans but I have also participated in concours events for Jaguars > having owned 3 XKE's and competed in their concours. In the two > concours I was in with my Delorean I competed against 5 other cars > each time. While it is true not all 6 of the cars may have been worthy > of winning 1st place, at least the top 3 were very close. If you have > EVER participated in a concours then you would be aware that the > competion can be fierce. > You raise some good points but to post anonomously and not bring up > any positive comments reduces your credibility and only sounds sour. > Memory isn't serving you well as there were 6 cars entered in the > concours in Cleavland and if you are asking everyone to post their > name ane vin then at least return the courtesy! You are right that > winning a concours doesn't automatically give anyone the right to set > the rules but as any owner I should have the right to voice my > opinion about them! Do YOUR research and see for yourself who entered > and who won the different concours events, this is part of the > preperation for a concours so you know who you are competing against! > When you do you will know who won in Cleavland and who won 1st place > in Cincinnatti in 98. > David Teitelbaum > vin 10757 [moderator snip of duplicate quote]