I feel compelled to respond to "fatboy". I HAVE competed in 2 Concours while my car has actually been in 3 (1 was by a previous owner). I won 1st place in 98 and 2nd in 2000 (in the first entry in Williamsburg by the previous owner the car didn't place.) By having PARTICIPATED!I feel I have some credibility and knowledge at least as it pertains to Deloreans but I have also participated in concours events for Jaguars having owned 3 XKE's and competed in their concours. In the two concours I was in with my Delorean I competed against 5 other cars each time. While it is true not all 6 of the cars may have been worthy of winning 1st place, at least the top 3 were very close. If you have EVER participated in a concours then you would be aware that the competion can be fierce. You raise some good points but to post anonomously and not bring up any positive comments reduces your credibility and only sounds sour. Memory isn't serving you well as there were 6 cars entered in the concours in Cleavland and if you are asking everyone to post their name ane vin then at least return the courtesy! You are right that winning a concours doesn't automatically give anyone the right to set the rules but as any owner I should have the right to voice my opinion about them! Do YOUR research and see for yourself who entered and who won the different concours events, this is part of the preperation for a concours so you know who you are competing against! When you do you will know who won in Cleavland and who won 1st place in Cincinnatti in 98. David Teitelbaum vin 10757 --- In dmcnews@xxxx, FatBoy <fatboy7@xxxx> wrote: > [MODERATOR NOTE: This message is both inflammatory and anonymous, naming some specific DML subscribers without revealing its author. It also presents some facts which I am unable to verify. If some of these facts concern you personally, please feel free to post reasonable corrections. Regardless, please try to keep all responses on the level of gentlemen (or ladies, if any choose to participate). Unless other significant points of view arise, I plan to close this thread tomorrow and refer interested parties to the mailing list dedicated to this subject. - Mike Substelny, DML moderator of the week] > > Hello Mr. Espey, >