Dear Andy, When I said that on all the 5 speeds that I have seen, I was referring to Delorean cars only. Hope this clears up any confusion. > > Happy Holidays, > > Gary Masie > > > > Hello, > > actually on all of the 5 speeds i have seen (and i work at a quick lube place > where we check the lights, including reverse on every car we work on - and > i've personally done at least 100 manuals) i have never found another car > where you have to lift it up to get it into reverse. it's usually where 6th > gear would be on the delorean. then again, we rarely see anything remotely > exotic, few european cars in fact. > > Andy > > Soma576@xxxx > 1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596 > Fargo, ND 58102 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]