***** Moderator's Note ***** This will end the tie wrap discussion. ***** You really can't tell there's a clamp in place unless you are specificly looking for/at the otterstat. On the clamp I used, I didn't bother grinding it down, I simply strapped it into place. I reccomended grinding down the sides because it may be easier for some than to bend the connectors on the otterstat. Stainless clamp, or tie- wrap, the choice is yours. But in either case, I think many will agree the best, safest solution is a wrap-around restraint for the otterstat, rather than the clip put on at the factory. The tie-wraps used on my car are all in good shape, I must admit. But none are used in the same way as the clip on the otterstat is. The tie-wrap would be pushing against the pressure of the coolant in the pipe, not just holding 2 items together. But if the wrap is strong enough, I see no reason why it wouldn't work. Me, I'll stick with stainless. After all, it's lasted this long for the body panels. I guess in the end it's up to you which one you want to use. Don't worry though, no offence taken on my side :) -Robert vin 6585 <SNIP> >My best afterthought, as mentioned, get two of the clips > (cost is $3.96 each), clip 'em both in place and enjoy how smart you are. (Or > get one of those big ugly hose clamps, grind it to fit, and mess up the beauty > and symmetry of your engine compartment). (Oops, should have left that line > out!)